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Rating: 0 of 0 votes Quote Guests Replybullet Posted: 10 December 2006 at 5:51pm
Of course she wasn't born sinful.  None of them were.  They were born into less fortunate circumstances.  It happens.
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Rating: -1 of 1 votes Quote laurieann Replybullet Posted: 10 December 2006 at 6:01pm
So, if no one is born sinful, how did the first sinning start?

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Rating: 0 of 0 votes Quote fatuma Replybullet Posted: 10 December 2006 at 6:03pm

I think it was because of a fruit of some sort............

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But, you claim that adam was forgiven, and no one is born sinful. So, who made the others sin?
 
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Rating: 1 of 1 votes Quote fatuma Replybullet Posted: 10 December 2006 at 6:06pm

we make them, we <as sane adults> take responsibility for our own actions

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Rating: -1 of 1 votes Quote laurieann Replybullet Posted: 10 December 2006 at 6:10pm
so, if we are born without sin
why do all of us end up sinning?
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Rating: 0 of 0 votes Quote fatuma Replybullet Posted: 10 December 2006 at 6:14pm

Why do you have to make it either or? One extreme or other? We have to be sinful or saints? We‘re humans, we’re complex, we’re good and bad and all that other icky gray stuff in the middle. Why limit ourselves into one box; God doesn’t.

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I just wonder why everyone, without exception, sins?
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Rating: 0 of 0 votes Quote fatuma Replybullet Posted: 10 December 2006 at 6:21pm

We believe that when God created man the Angles were speechless. They couldn’t understand what God was doing so they asked: "Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not." {2:30}. We don’t know why God created us in the manner He did, but He did it and if the Angles don’t get it I don’t we ever will; so this is were faith comes in.



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Rating: -1 of 1 votes Quote laurieann Replybullet Posted: 10 December 2006 at 6:51pm

God created man, and said his creation is good.

so, we shouldn't lie
and say God created
anything which wasn't good
 
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I thought God created everything.  Including Hell.  Hell isn't good.
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If God didn't create Hell, jinn, or the will/ability to do bad deeds, then who did?  Certainly God is the ONLY Creator.
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Rating: -1 of 1 votes Quote laurieann Replybullet Posted: 10 December 2006 at 10:02pm
hell is good for satan
it's his perfect environment
 
God created everything good
 
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you are preaching like the gnostics
 
God made us free
but, God did not make us choose to do evil


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I'm not preaching anything, I'm just answering your posts... 
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