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    Posted: 26 March 2008 at 7:02am
Christians. Peace to you all.
 
Thou shall not eat the flesh of swine.
 
Why can't you obey a simple order?
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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 10:44am
Originally posted by Traveller

Christians. Peace to you all.
 
Thou shall not eat the flesh of swine.
 
Why can't you obey a simple order?

IMO the concept of clean and unclean animals was done away with along with Jesusí death and resurrection. We could not keep the requirements of the law (see the OT) so God sent Jesus to offer us grace, as was His plan all along. As Jesus explains in Matthew 15 it is not what goes into someone that makes them unclean but what comes out.

One question in return:

Why are Muslims so rigid in keeping the order not to eat piggy products but donít seem bothered by all the other similar laws of other animals mentioned in the OT. Why one and not all?

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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by Mad Cat


One question in return:

Why are Muslims so rigid in keeping the order not to eat piggy products but donít seem bothered by all the other similar laws of other animals mentioned in the OT. Why one and not all?

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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 12:34pm
I think I've asked this before, but where specifically does it say 'its ok to eat pig'?
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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 12:37pm
Test everything. Hold on to the good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21
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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 12:41pm
Is that an answer to me or Rach?
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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 12:45pm

Deuteronomy 14 King James Version

8And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 12:47pm
Matcat you said that Jesus explains this in Matthew 15, but how do you know that means its ok to eat pig?
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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 12:56pm

Jamilahz

Sorry, you responded in the meantime. The below is to you.

I think one thing that has to be understood about this kind of thing is that it doesnít always say things specifically. This goes for the Quran as well as the Bible.

Just because Jesus isnít recorded as saying specifically ĎI am Godí doesnít mean that He wasnít.

The Law for the Israelites was to govern every part of their lives for their benefit. I believe there were very good reasons that God called some animals clean and other unclean. Paul talks about what it permissible and what is beneficial. Jesus talks about cleanliness and hypocrisies linked with it and Peter had a vision of all kinds of clean and unclean animals from heaven in Acts 11.

I am just interested as to why Islam has stuck with one and not the others, to my knowledge.

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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 1:00pm
I see.. well we do have specific things in the Quran that tell us what we can and cannot eat... What in Leviticus do you think we've ignored?
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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 1:05pm
I am just interested as to why Islam has stuck with one and not the others, to my knowledge.


It is true that Muslims don't eat pork, which mirrors Jewish practice, and yet we don't observe the Sabbath, another Jewish practice. Why? It's because in Islam we have been taught that while the previous messages were from God, many wrong views and practices managed to find their ways into the religion, and thus Islam must come to clear away what is unneeded or not really from God.

"Truly, this Qur'an does explain to the children of Israel much of the issues in which they differ" [Q 27:26]

Hope this was helpful.

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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by jamilahz

Matcat you said that Jesus explains this in Matthew 15, but how do you know that means its ok to eat pig?

Do you know why it is not ok for you to eat pig?

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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 1:13pm
I have read in the Bible itself that it[pig] is considered a filthy animal. The Qur'an says that God allows what is good and beneficial, and forbids what is unbeneficial and disgusting.[Khabaa'ith].

I know many Christians who avoid pork because the Bible does not have Jesus ever eating it.
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bullet Posted: 26 March 2008 at 1:22pm

Originally posted by waheed1

It is true that Muslims don't eat pork, which mirrors Jewish practice, and yet we don't observe the Sabbath, another Jewish practice. Why? It's because in Islam we have been taught that while the previous messages were from God, many wrong views and practices managed to find their ways into the religion, and thus Islam must come to clear away what is unneeded or not really from God.

Two questions Waheed, if you donít mind.

Why would people corrupt the word of God to include other animals?

Why is it needed that we avoid pig products?

Originally posted by waheed1

I have read in the Bible itself that it[pig] is considered a filthy animal. The Qur'an says that God allows what is good and beneficial, and forbids what is unbeneficial and disgusting.[Khabaa'ith].

Do you have the Biblical reference to this?

Donít we know today that there are benefits to be had from eating pork?

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