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    Posted: 01 April 2008 at 3:17pm
I would be interested in what you guys think of the role of the United Nations, Its past, the present situation and where you see (or hope for) it's future lies?
 
 
If you believe it should be disbanded what would you replace it with?
 
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I like the idea of the u.n; but like most things which are of a highly political nature, it seldom lives up to its billing.

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Salam

In theory, good idea.  In practice, the ability for any of the permanent members to veto anything renders it very feeble.
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If the UN is supposed to uphold international law, then the security council should not give preference to some nations over others--and there shouldn't be permanent members who are more important than elected members.
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Two point I would like to make.
 
1/ The rules regarding the membership of the security council are clearly outmoded and need to be changed.
 
The trouble is that, for it to be effective the council must be able to committ manpower on the ground to ensure resolution of confilct. How is that achieved?
 
2/ Secondly consider the work of the W.H.O and U.N.E.S.C.O and similar agencies.
 
 
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How about the members decide to follow international law? I mean, they don't make very good stewards of international democracy if they themselves engage in illegal invasions, conquests, and occupations... AHEM!

Overall the UN is impotent in such matters of martial conflict--whether internally in a state (where they supposedly have no authorization) and even external aggression against a nation. Its impotence relates not first to the absence of available manpower to intervene, but rather to the corrupt and seemingly absolute authority granted to only a handful of nations which keep any manpower as well as the bureaucracy on a rather short leash.
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I agree Amy, yet it it is a political body (on the security issue at least).
 
There is not a single nation on Earth currently willing to give sovereignty to the UN over the deployment of it even part of it's military forces, not even temporarily.
 
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The UN has lost its credibility in recent years due to double standards
 
The same rules should be applied equally to all countries
 
That is a basic foundation of jujstice, and without justice there is no credibility
 
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I see it as just another way for big bully countries to enforce their will over smaller less powerful countries.
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Exactly
 
And that's why the system does not work: it's not founded on the just application of international law
 
 
 
 
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I agree with al and amy...the problem would exist even if every member state had an equal say because they would have their own agendas.
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Which would be true however it was run. Yet imagine what life would be like if no such international body existed however toothless. We see the cases of where it a has failed to prevent confict but I wonder how many times over the years since its inception conflicts were avoided simply because some nation knew that if they did it the whole international community would unite against them.

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On the issue of voting power I think it should be proportional to population.
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Against whom does the international community ever unite, though? They can't unite against an illegal Anglo-American war in the Middle East, they can't unite against the invasion of one superpower into another country, they can't unite against the oppression and occupation of one people by another country... remind me again what is the point?
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