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A fool at 40 is a fool forever...
If My servant draws near to Me an arm's length, I draw near to him a fathom's length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.
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Bay: Not the first time this kind've thing has happened.
Speaking of, I miss Faith1.
 
 
Kad:  Don't remind me...
 
 
Why's that, kad?
 
I miss her, too.
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Because if there's any type of person I can't tolerate (and I think I'm a pretty tolerant guy), it's malicious liars.
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Faith1 lied?  How's that?
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Of course she was never a Muslim and made her whole story up.
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I wasn't really familiar with her muslim or pseudo-muslim days.  I've been scolded by admins here before for sying things about people who "aren't here to defend themselves."  My attitude is that is their problem.  What are the details of faith1's deal?  Whatever her earlier history, I thought she was polite yet assertive, and well versed in christian doctrine.
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Originally posted by LtTony

I've been scolded by admins here before for sying things about people who "aren't here to defend themselves." .
 
lol, that's because you lied and got busted trying to edit someone's quote long time later to make him look like a terrorist.......that's why you got scolded.
 
 
 
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Well, it's not like she's been banned or anything, if she wants to defend herself and say she's genuine then she's free to do so, though I doubt anyone would be convinced. Her fraud was quite similar to this one, only Faith was more intelligent about it, I'll give her that much. Indeed she was well versed in Christian doctrine. I'd say rather too well versed for a young Muslim girl who until her brothers recently converted she'd practically never even heard of Christianity, and then immediately goes on to not so subtly argue like someone textbook trained to debate Muslims. She would also (despite her being fluent in Arabic) exploit faulty English translations of the Qur'an to deceive people (such as in THIS thread). In one of her first posts here she claimed to be from Lebanon, which if you're not familiar with the country's history is still fresh from 15 years of a bloody civil war, people don't change religions lightly in that place, if at all. The moment she started mildly informing people that her Muslim brothers had just converted to Christianity is when people here started getting suspicious of her honesty.

And Marwan, please don't instigate fights in this thread.
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Knowing muslims as I do, I highly doubt that muslims would convert from islam.

This has more to do with eastern populations being generally less well educated/affluent, than the superiority of islam to other religions.

I have noticed in particular that wealthy muslims (from the middle east/pakistan) are mostly nominally muslim, in the same way as western christians and jews are nominally christian or jewish.

Religion I have noticed is far more important to the average Muslim than it is to the average Christian or Jew.


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Do you always have to be so condescending?
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Originally posted by hamayoun

Do you always have to be so condescending?


I am not being codescending, I am merely stating things as I see them.
I have a great deal of respect for eastern culture, but you have to admit that religiosity is a problem even in your native pakistan, where muslims are battling each other to define the future of the country.

I spoke to one pakistani muslim who informed me that the religious heritage of his country was the heart of the problem, he was of the opinion that pakistan should never have separated itself from the rest of India. This seems to be the bent of mind of most affluent pakistanis, who i have noticed are nominally muslim.

My x's immediate family struggled very hard when they came to Canada, as a result they tend to be extremely religious.

Her uncle and aunt who came to Canada in the 60's tend to be far less rigorous in the practice of their faith.



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Actually, you are being condescending in implying that lack of education is why muslims' faith is so strong.  With due respect to you, that is total BS.
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Originally posted by hamayoun

Actually, you are being condescending in implying that lack of education is why muslims' faith is so strong.  With due respect to you, that is total BS.


If it came across as a blanket statement I apologise.

Certainly there are educated affluent muslims that are very religious.

My statement was really about the average pakistani/middle easterner I encountered at University (the ones whose parents are wealthy enough to pay international fees so that their children can get a western education).

There are people like my wife, who was well enough off (with me), who still chose religion over the wealth associated with our marriage.
So yes, there are exceptions.

I guess I will always find her choices baffling.


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Originally posted by M.A.R.W.A.N

Originally posted by LtTony

I've been scolded by admins here before for sying things about people who "aren't here to defend themselves." .
 
lol, that's because you lied and got busted trying to edit someone's quote long time later to make him look like a terrorist.......that's why you got scolded.
 
 
 
 
Still working that angle?  Good luck to there you, laddy.  If it's the best ya got, it's the best ya got.  But I'll play.  What about all the other remarks?  Were they lies?  And rather than make it a personal attack -- like you so often do when confronted with some difficulty -- what about the issue of "people who aren't here to defend themselves"?  Is that practice good only when you choose to apply it?
 
Personally, I don't think it should ever be applied; I'm just reflecting on your apparent hypocricy.  When a person pushes "send" or "enter," it's there forever; people need to consider that before participating on the internet.  Just like I'm fine with what you alluded to; one example in my post wasn't as clear cut as I'd like, but I detailed the circumstances.
 
 
 


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