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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 3:52pm
Two computers with the same program actually won't always give the same output. The computer can be affected by other variables, like available memory and temperature (not to mention other conditions which could affect the components.) But more importantly, the input variables are different--and if "two gods" existed then their perspective would be different.
 
The flaw is in having two--that is the illogical nature of your argument. The attributes of God only make sense in the framework of tawheed, of oneness.
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Salam

Good grief... why is this so difficult to understand?  Here is a description of the Islamic concept of God.  Is there anything here that does not fall under the category of 'logical' ???

  • God, and God alone, created the universe and everything in it.
  • God is the sustainer and maintainer of the universe.
  • God is the absolute controller of the universe and all actions occurring within it.
  • God has complete power over all things.
  • God is not dependent on anyone or anything, whereas everyone and everything is dependent on Him.
  • God does not have a "family" : no wife, no children, no parents.
  • There is nothing like God.
  • God is transcendent above His creation.
  • God cannot be manifested in any of his creation.
  • God does not become incarnate in any of his creation.
  • God is the only being who can hear our prayers.
  • God is the only being who has the power to answer our prayers, since He is the only one who can control the actions of the universe and of everything within it.
  • God is the only entity who deserves to be worshipped.
  • Humans do not need any intercessor or intervener between themselves and God when worshipping or praying to Him, but should turn directly to God.


May Allah give me patience, Ameen.

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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by Aviatrix

Two computers with the same program actually won't always give the same output. The computer can be affected by other variables, like available memory and temperature (not to mention other conditions which could affect the components.) But more importantly, the input variables are different--and if "two gods" existed then their perspective would be different.


uh?? for an engineering student you are being particularly dense.

the input variable for a particular 1-1 function will always give you the same output.

Or have you suddenly forgotten basic mathematics?

I have explained to you, that the input variable cannot be different, because each of them is omniscient (they know everything) or in other words - everything is inputted, they have perfect wisdom so they process it identically - end result - same output.
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:13pm
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uh?? for an engineering student you are being particularly dense.




Why do you have to be so rude? 
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:16pm
because I hold her to a higher standard; she has a brain - she ought to use it to the best of her ability.
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:17pm
is that supposed to sound nice?  
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:18pm
no, its simply the truth. The girl is smart.
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:23pm
She is very smart you are right, but that does not mean you have to be a big meanie all the time.  Think before you type man... would you want anyone to say that to you?  
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:36pm
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uh?? for an engineering student you are being particularly dense.

the input variable for a particular 1-1 function will always give you the same output.

Or have you suddenly forgotten basic mathematics?

I have explained to you, that the input variable cannot be different, because each of them is omniscient (they know everything) or in other words - everything is inputted, they have perfect wisdom so they process it identically - end result - same output.
 
But the input variable MUST be different, because they are not the same god according to you, because there are two. Moreover, gods aren't computers.
 
And while you hearken to "basic math" I'm calling you to a higher plane--what are computers made of? Chips, made of transistors. I am taking a class in transistors and I can tell you that sometimes if you breathe on these things differently they will operate differently.  We use "tolerances" and ranges of operation rather than simple basic figures--because the real world is too complicated for basic math.
 
And yet you try to simplify god to something more basic than even reality.
 
If one god is All-knowing, then it knows what the other is thinking.
The other god is all-knowing, then it knows what the first is thinking.
 
Are they thinking the same thing?
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:37pm
to be honest - I dont see her objecting to my tone, until then I will believe that its well received.

From what I know of her, she gives as good as she gets, so I am not going to bring out the kid gloves yet.
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:38pm
ok then feel free to be a big meanie all you want.  Charming you are.
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:44pm
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 We use "tolerances" and ranges of operation rather than simple basic figures--because the real world is too complicated for basic math.


tolerances are used because we cannot control factors outside the system.

Within the closed system, there is no variability.

You are implying that there are variables that are beyond the control of the G_D(s).

Since creation is a closed system to the G_D(s), there are no variabilities.







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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:46pm
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But the input variable MUST be different, because they are not the same god according to you, because there are two. Moreover, gods aren't computers.



No they must not be, because the input is the super set of all events (to have ever occurred in creation)
 

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bullet Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:49pm
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Charming you are.


I must not be, obviously it was not enough to keep my wife with me.
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