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    Posted: 12 July 2008 at 12:49am

Muslim-Christian dialogue can succeed only by recognizing realities: Dr. Tariq Ramadan

Eminent theologian and writer Tariq Ramadan delivered a lecture on ‘Christianity and Islam : Values and History’ on 3rd July at Jamia Millia Islamia (JMI). The programme was organized under JMI’s Outreach programme.

Prof Ramadan’s talk focused on the similarities and differences between the two great religions of the world and the need to rise above differences and look at ways to live with harmony and trust. He stressed the need for honest self-appraisal, critical thinking and a commitment to the principles of one’s own religion while also showing respect for other traditions, beliefs and practices. ...

Addressing the audience, Ramadan said he had been among Christians for a number of years in order to comprehend this topical theme and traversed the space from experience to the text (Qur’an) and, then, it dawned upon him what he was going to convey...

Ramadan said dialogue requires understanding other peoples’ psyche because we cannot understand other people without understanding it...

He said three things are essential for a dialogue : intellectual empathy, deep faith and rationality and spirituality. He said it may be incorrect to ask any person to observe veil, it is equally wrong for a state to force anyone to not observe veil. He said the first thing required for coming out of the present situation is humility, education, self-knowledge and patient ears for others. Second point is dialogue that requires removing non-confidence from the mind of the other partner of dialogue. Third point is recognizing that all points are important and the fourth one is attachment of scholars participating in the dialogue with their own community. He said the last condition is working together and this requires respecting others’ nature and dignity as well as sense of justice.

http://www.tariqramadan.com/spip.php?article10290&lang=en

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Can Muslim-Christian dialogue succeed?
 
If yes, how?
 
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I think dialogue between any groups that disagree with each other can succeed if the follow the principles that you are talking about.  If you start with points of agreement and build trust before tackling thorny issues like the trinity vs oneness of God, the nature of Jesus Christ, etc.  A question that keeps coming up for me is this:  Muslims, if you want Christians to respect your beliefs are you going to show respect toward the Christian doctrine of the Trinity?  I am not say you have to believe the Trinity, I said will you show respect for it.  You cannot expect Christians to respect your belief about God if you don't show respect toward their belief about God.Also, for genuine dialogue to happen we have to approach the other person seeking to understand them rather than just trying to get them to understand us. 
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Originally posted by keithnurse

I think dialogue between any groups that disagree with each other can succeed if the follow the principles that you are talking about.  If you start with points of agreement and build trust
 
Yes, good point. I agreee with you on that point
 
Muslims, if you want Christians to respect your beliefs are you going to show respect toward the Christian doctrine of the Trinity?  I am not say you have to believe the Trinity, I said will you show respect for it. 
 
Yes, respect the right and freedom of (some) Christians to believe in the trinity, if that's what they believe
 
Each person is free to believe what they find most convincing
 
for genuine dialogue to happen we have to approach the other person seeking to understand them rather than just trying to get them to understand us. 
 
Sure, it goes both ways
 
What else can help the dialogue succeed?
 


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Types of Interfaith Dialogues:
 
I suggest that there are mainly two types of Interfaith dialogues:
 
1- The first type of dialogue is meant for better understanding people of other faiths, sharing what is common and understanding their points of views
 
2- The second type of dialogue is a more specialized type of academic dialogue which focuses on comparative studies of different religions, discussing beliefs and searching for the Truth
 
This second type of dialogue is normally for specilized scholars and is very limited as it normally takes place in closed circles, whereas the first type is more for ordinary people with ideas to be published for better understanding and peace
 
An example of this second type of dialogue is the Muslim initiative from 2007 titled (A Common Word Between You and Us):
 
 
 
 
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Thanks for the link to  "a common word" that sounds like a hopeful sign
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one of the things that may help in the Christian-Muslim dialogue is to look and learn from the attitude of the pre-modern Muslim societies.
how we still have pre-Islamic Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Buddhist communities still present in places where once Muslims ruled?
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Rating: 0 of 0 votes Quote Al-Cordoby Replybullet Posted: 13 July 2008 at 4:22pm
Originally posted by keithnurse

Thanks for the link to "a common word" that sounds like a hopeful sign
 
It's one of many initiatives for dialogue
 
These are the words of Sheikh Abdul Hakim Murad Winter from Cambridge, UK:
 
In our world of mass communications, those who seek to reach out to engage meaningfully with members of other faiths bear a particularly heavy responsibility.

Ours is a wounded world. Its tragedies are those of an unbridled individualism and materialism, manifested in the decay of family values and in the love of neighbour.

Humanity, say our scriptures, suffers when denied the love of the One God, and the love of neighbour. We are, as religions, facing a common threat and challenge in a way that may be historically unique, and we must see this as an opportunity, under Heaven, for real cooperation. We are accountable to God for the sincerity with which we seize this opportunity.

http://www.acommonword.com/lib/vatican/AH-Murad-Statement.pdf

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"pre-modern Muslim societies"? 

Just curious. What differentiates a pre-modern Muslim society from a modern Muslim society?
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I would classify premodern Muslim societies as those before the collapse of the Ottoman empire with regards to Turkey and the middle-east. premodern Muslim society would also be the Muslim world precolonialism
 
reading the book "Jews of Islam" by Bernard Lewis would give a good idea of how premodern Muslim societies were like.
and plus there are many other books.
I would love to refer you to many other books if you're interested in reading...
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one of the major differences between premodern Muslim societies and modern (or postmodern) Muslim societies is that Muslims didn't have inferiority complex then and neither were they jealous or had malice or hatred towards the west - the type of hatred that follows oppression i.e..
lets not forget the treaty of Tripoli
they also had an identity, character, and were rich in meaningful culture and tradition.
unfortunately; in modern times everyone other than the west is suffering from this inferiority complex and lack of identity
guess why?
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There are a number of scholars who talk about a pre-modern world, and the modern world. Whether the societies are Muslim or not, the modern world is what has come with the industrial revolution and urbanization. Sometimes it means the last few decades, but you'll notice if you look at the last few centuries the world has increasingly moved away from a societial model which was dominated by the village culture. Now people live in big cities instead of small villages, they interact with more people but have fewer personal relationships and overall have to be more independent. Children move away from their families, there is more communication throughout the world and easier transportation, etc.

Pre-modern is more about place in time rather than behavior. The modern world overall functions differently than the "pre-modern" world.

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Another Muslim reaction to (A Common Word Between Us) and the Muslim-Christian Dialogue:
 
H.E. Dr. Ali Gomaa's Statement Concerning the Yale Divinity School's Acceptance of the Common Word Initiative

We were very pleased to learn of Christian world leaders' acceptance of the "Common Terms" Initiative.

The Initiative is a positive agreement built on love of God and love for thy neighbor, both constituting the basis for the Initiative.

Let us all embark on our common grounds and move toward a fair and lasting peace in the entire world

(Dr. Ali Goma'a, Mufti of Egypt)

http://www.acommonword.com/lib/downloads/Statement-Kalima-Sawaa.pdf

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Dr. Ali Goma'a
hahaha love the Egyptian dialect
it's Juma'a in proper Arabic
Egyptians make the J G and Yemenis make the Q G

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