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Does this plan include the expansion of the masajid ?
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Does this plan include the expansion of the masajid ?

I mean that's the whole point!  In fact, some hotels have been knocked down recently to allow expansion.
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just give lesser visas i say
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So then I assume you would all be in favor of leveling the current buildings, except the ka'aba of course and returning the whole area to dirt like it was in the time of the Prophet(saaws)?


Does any hadith say that it was a place of dirt nauzubillah ? I think you need to mind you language.


Uh, maybe I missed the hadith where they had paved the area 1400 years ago? What are you talking about? I don't mean dirt like filth (if that is what you think) I mean earth/sand, etc. You know?
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Because you are all complaining about how horrible it is. If you put it into perspective of how it was at the time of the Prophet(saaws) to how it is now that is a much greater change than the proposed expansion would be. 


I think because you are from USA so you would prefer it to look like any american city.


Does that look like an American City? If you think so you really don't know what you are talking about. And I hate cities. I go there when I have to but I have never lived in one. I have always lived in places where there are more trees than people.
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So finally the money of Haji's will go to Hilton. Thats great.


Where are you getting this? Do you have a link where it says this is going to involve American companies? Or involve Christians and Jews in Hajj?
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This is just rampant commercialisation and exploitation.
 
I've not read about the organizations involved or the commercialization features planned for the expansion. Do you have a link I can go to find this out?
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So finally the money of Haji's will go to Hilton. Thats great.


Where are you getting this? Do you have a link where it says this is going to involve American companies? Or involve Christians and Jews in Hajj?


Hilton has already started advertising spaces for temporary sale b4 a few years.
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This is just rampant commercialisation and exploitation.
 
I've not read about the organizations involved or the commercialization features planned for the expansion. Do you have a link I can go to find this out?


Here you are:

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Real_Estate_Property/10190357.html




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Because you are all complaining about how horrible it is. If you put it into perspective of how it was at the time of the Prophet(saaws) to how it is now that is a much greater change than the proposed expansion would be. 


I think because you are from USA so you would prefer it to look like any american city.


Does that look like an American City? If you think so you really don't know what you are talking about. And I hate cities. I go there when I have to but I have never lived in one. I have always lived in places where there are more trees than people.


That was just a view, because we prefer makkah the way it was because we are used to live in such conditions. So i thought u might like it with a bit more advancement.
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So then I assume you would all be in favor of leveling the current buildings, except the ka'aba of course and returning the whole area to dirt like it was in the time of the Prophet(saaws)?


Does any hadith say that it was a place of dirt nauzubillah ? I think you need to mind you language.


Uh, maybe I missed the hadith where they had paved the area 1400 years ago? What are you talking about? I don't mean dirt like filth (if that is what you think) I mean earth/sand, etc. You know?


hmm, thats fine then. But ur assumption is not precise too. What i mean to say is there are many spots in makkah where many historical incidents have happened and they should be there for us to see what we read in the seerah.
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If Worshipers wants to come for Umrah or Hajj, they should not be restricted unless they come with ill-intention and the government should do something that keeps important places or landmarks as untouch or unexploited and allow expansion with basic human needs for Worship or buying gifts at spare time and not something more than that(or should I say something which is reasonable for Hajj and Umrah).

 
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nope that goes to the level of zuhud
zuhud is not a necessity
it's again another want of the mystics or one serious on his path
necessity would be
paved roads for cars to travel smoothly with out being spoiled
homes with basic necessities like bed, toilet, running water, refrigerator, a fan and if it really gets hot then a ac would be necessary especially for people who are not used to such heat... because most people won't be able to sleep in that heat unless they're used to it.
no need for a TV
a market with basic necessities
no need for flipping HYPER MARKETS

they could've easily built the houses a few kilometers away from the ka'ba because most people nowadays have no adab for the Holy Sanctuary
so the houses if kept far away then people won't get the sin of doing what they do all the time (i.e. back bite, etc) and then connect the buildings with a metro rail all the way to the like a 100 meters from the ka'ba

KFC, McDonalds, etc are no necessities
clothes shop with flipping manicans wearing jeans and tight clothes are no necessities

health facilities
security
control of traffic
proper control of human traffic
drinking water but not to excess
(cause now because of people's appetite they're diluting zam zam with other water and hence even the taste of zam zam is different)

and the likes
i hope this clarifies what i mean by necessities and wants
 
If this is how u define necessity then i can say it is relative and it differ from someone to another


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i think expansion of the masjid is nice....it looks great too.but moderation is the key...i hope they don't over do it...really don't want to see too many high rise buildings in makkah......competing in building lofty buildings is a sign of the last hour.this is makkah for heavens sake....moderation.....make it nice,expand yes but preserve at the same time.

like emad said...hajj is a spirtual journey...it should be hardship and struggle and pilgrims living like there  at ritz charlton.at the same time people should feel comfortable.so once again moderation.
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