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    Posted: 22 November 2008 at 6:48pm
The text is in Acts 18:24-28.
 
The Sect of the Nazarenes was blooming in Alexandria. Apollos, a Nazarene Jew from Alexandria had decided to go on a trip North to Ephesus. Being well-known as a charismatic and eloquent Teacher in the
Scriptures, he was invited to deliver the Shabbat sermon in the local Nazarene Synagogue. The text says that he would speak about Jesus with accuracy. (Acts 18:25)
 
It happens that on that same day, a couple of former Jews called Aquila and Priscilla were attending services at the same Synagogue. The couple had recently arrived from Italy because of a decree signed by Claudius Caesar that would expell all Jews from Rome. (Acts 18:2) Their trade was Tentmaking. Since Paul was also a Tentmaker, they somehow met, got together, and Paul succeeded to convert them. (Acts 18:1-3)
 
So, back to the Nazarene Synagogue of Ephesus, Aquila and Priscilla realized that there was something wrong with Apollos' sermon. He would
not mention even once that Jesus was the Messiah, son of God, and that he had resurrected. After the services, they invited Apollos to their home,
converted him to the Pauline way they believed about Jesus, and the Apollos who returned was no longer the same who had left. He would now preach that Jesus was the Messiah. He was still charismatic and eloquent, but the previous accuracy about Jesus was no longer the same.
Apollos had completely metamorphosed.
 
The point for discussion is: If Apollos was an expert in the Scriptures and
a member of the Sect of the Nazarenes, how come he had to know from
Christians all those things about Jesus? The obvious conclusion is that the
whole thing had been fabricated by Paul almost 30 years after Jesus'
crucifixion.
 
Now, please, kindly share with me your comments.
 
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  Talk about clutching at straws.
  
out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:5
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Originally posted by Damo808

 
  Talk about clutching at straws.
  
 

Really! I think you are trying to hang in there because I have pulled the
rug from under your feet.
 
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 Ohh really... with what exactly...  pure insinuation ?

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 Ohh really... with what exactly...  pure insinuation ?

 
With what you cannot prove the opposite.
 
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 Don't you mean prove a negative.... thats impossible in any given situation, which is why there will always be claims of alien abductions and sightings of little green men. However there is probablity... which IMO stacks heavily in favour of what i hold to. On some of your past posts... i've seen nothing but the most extremely far fetched and outlandish interpretations of the Biblical texts to suit your point of view which needs no stone removed to sense the reek underneath.
 
 


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 Don't you mean prove a negative.... thats impossible in any given situation, which is why there will always be claims of alien abductions and sightings of little green men. However there is probablity... which IMO stacks heavily in favour of what i hold to. On some of your past posts... i've seen nothing but the most extremely far fetched and outlandish interpretations of the Biblical texts to suit your point of view which needs no stone removed to sense the reek underneath.
 
 
 
Nevertheless, your rebuttals must be hiding somewhere howling at the
moon, because I haven't been refuted in my assertions. At least, not
by you yet.
 
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What like the claim you made that there were no Gentile followers of Jesus prior to St Paul's preaching which more or less discredits much everything else you claim about St Paul. .... Unless you have some extra-biblical neutral material to lend credence to what you call fact.. 

 
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Originally posted by Damo808

What like the claim you made that there were no Gentile followers of Jesus prior to St Paul's preaching which more or less discredits much everything else you claim about St Paul. .... Unless you have some extra-biblical neutral material to lend credence to what you call fact.. 

 
 
Right, Jesus had no Gentile followers. He avoided Gentiles and forbade
his disciples to preach his gospel to Gentiles. Read Matthew 10:5.
 
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Originally posted by Ben Masada

Originally posted by Damo808

What like the claim you made that there were no Gentile followers of Jesus prior to St Paul's preaching which more or less discredits much everything else you claim about St Paul. .... Unless you have some extra-biblical neutral material to lend credence to what you call fact.. 

 
 
Right, Jesus had no Gentile followers. He avoided Gentiles and forbade
his disciples to preach his gospel to Gentiles. Read Matthew 10:5.
 
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 No.. in His absense Jesus instructed His followers to stick to the task at hand and concentrate on the "lost sheep" of Israel rather than go into Gentile territory, quite different from saying to avoid gentiles at all costs, again any claims of Jesus having an aversion to Gentiles is debunked in Mat 8.


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Originally posted by Ben Masada

Originally posted by Damo808

What like the claim you made that there were no Gentile followers of Jesus prior to St Paul's preaching which more or less discredits much everything else you claim about St Paul. .... Unless you have some extra-biblical neutral material to lend credence to what you call fact.. 

 
 
Right, Jesus had no Gentile followers. He avoided Gentiles and forbade
his disciples to preach his gospel to Gentiles. Read Matthew 10:5.
 
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Not quite true. See Acts 10 which gives the story of Cornelius and his family.
hype the sensationalism by capitalizing on the propensity of a few. Grotham
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Originally posted by jimdi3

Originally posted by Ben Masada

Originally posted by Damo808

What like the claim you made that there were no Gentile followers of Jesus prior to St Paul's preaching which more or less discredits much everything else you claim about St Paul. .... Unless you have some extra-biblical neutral material to lend credence to what you call fact.. 

 
 
Right, Jesus had no Gentile followers. He avoided Gentiles and forbade
his disciples to preach his gospel to Gentiles. Read Matthew 10:5.
 
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Not quite true. See Acts 10 which gives the story of Cornelius and his family.
 
I am talking about Jesus, not Peter. Only years later after Jesus' death
the Nazarenes decided to nominate Peter to take the teachings of the Sect to the Gentiles. See Acts 15:7. Show me Jesus during his lifetime concerned about Gentiles. Mind you that I don't agree with his attitude.
According to Isaiah 42:6, we Jews are supposed to serve as light unto
the Gentiles. I still can't understand why he had such an aversion to Gentiles.
 
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Originally posted by Damo808

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Originally posted by Damo808

What like the claim you made that there were no Gentile followers of Jesus prior to St Paul's preaching which more or less discredits much everything else you claim about St Paul. .... Unless you have some extra-biblical neutral material to lend credence to what you call fact.. 

 
 
Right, Jesus had no Gentile followers. He avoided Gentiles and forbade
his disciples to preach his gospel to Gentiles. Read Matthew 10:5.
 
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 No.. in His absense Jesus instructed His followers to stick to the task at hand and concentrate on the "lost sheep" of Israel rather than go into Gentile territory, quite different from saying to avoid gentiles at all costs, again any claims of Jesus having an aversion to Gentiles is debunked in Mat 8.
 
Nice try but I ain't buying it.
 
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I am talking about Jesus, not Peter. Only years later after Jesus' death
the Nazarenes decided to nominate Peter to take the teachings of the Sect to the Gentiles. See Acts 15:7. Show me Jesus during his lifetime concerned about Gentiles. Mind you that I don't agree with his attitude.
According to Isaiah 42:6, we Jews are supposed to serve as light unto
the Gentiles. I still can't understand why he had such an aversion to Gentiles.
 
Oh I see. Try Matthew 15, 28 as an example of a gentile woman's faith in Jesus gets her daughter healed or Luke 7, 9:10 where a gentile Roman Centurian's faith in Jesus gets his servant healed.
 
No aversion just using both as an example of great faith ....... all in the plan.
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