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    Posted: 02 April 2010 at 6:41am
According to the Qu'ran:

Jesus was the only prophet born by emaculate conception and the only prophet to go straight to heaven and skip death.

Every other prophet in the Qu'ran was born and died like we all do. So clearly Jesus was no ordinary prophet.

What is the point of a prophet?

A prophet is a messenger of Allah. Each prophet has a divine purpose crafted by Allah. There are many prophets each sent for a specific purpose, time and people.

Allah's plan for Jesus:
The Qu'ran says the purpose of Jesus was to correct the Jews who had gone far away from Allah's will.

The result:
They killed or tried to kill him and Christianity was started. Christianity is the worlds largest religion and its teaching are in direct contradiction to Islam and Judaism.

Therefore Jesus was the biggest factor in the greatest sin against Islam.

Either Allah made a huge mistake or Jesus is who the bible says he was.

Is my logic sound?


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Jesus was not unsuccessful at all, but rather his life points to other lessons. I recommend reading "Jesus in Islam" http://shamsuddinwaheed.blogspot.com/2008/01/jesus-in-islam.html
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Originally posted by truth_seeker777



Allah's plan for Jesus:
The Qu'ran says the purpose of Jesus was to correct the Jews who had gone far away from Allah's will.

The result:
They killed or tried to kill him and Christianity was started. Christianity is the worlds largest religion and its teaching are in direct contradiction to Islam and Judaism.

Therefore Jesus was the biggest factor in the greatest sin against Islam.

Either Allah made a huge mistake or Jesus is who the bible says he was.

Is my logic sound?

 
True Christianity preached by Jesus, peace be upon him, is a continuation of Judaism, and is not in direct contradiction with Islam and Judaism.
 
God sent Jesus, peace be upon him, to guide the lost sheep of Israel, and allowed him to perform many miracles as a sign for them to believe in him as God's prophet
 
What changed in the message of Jesus after God saved him and lifted him to Heaven were man-made changes, and the church is responsible for the confusion we see today among Christians.
 
Jesus, peace be upon him, was a human being born by a miracle from God. According to Islam, as stated in the Qur'an, he was not God neither was he the son of God ...
 
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No you are mistaken, the mission of Jesus peace be upon him has not ended yet and Jesus peace be upon him will come back as an Ummati and enforce the Shariah of Islam and defeat Dajjal.
Slave of ibn Arabi, Muqallid of Shaykh Sayed Abdul Qadir Al Gailany alaihira7ma wa ridhwan
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In the Qu'ran it says God will forgive any sin except the sin of attributing partners to him.

In Christianity (the largest religion in the world) you cannot be saved unless you believe Jesus is God (begotten son).
 
In Allah's wisdom why would he allow the message of his sacred prophet to be twisted and damn the larger portion of the world into unforgivable sin.
 
Jesus visiting us must then be a curse to most of mankind and even if you blame it on the church how could Allah in his mercy and foresight allow that. It makes no sense at all?
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Jesus, peace be upon him, is highly respected in Islam
 
He was one of God's most important messengers
 
God sent Jesus for a specific mission, which he accomplished, and when his enemies tried to kill him to get rid of him, God saved him and lifted him to Heaven ...
 
 
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In Allah's wisdom why would he allow the message of his sacred prophet to be twisted and damn the larger portion of the world into unforgivable sin.
 
Jesus visiting us must then be a curse to most of mankind and even if you blame it on the church how could Allah in his mercy and foresight allow that. It makes no sense at all?


In the Qur'an, Idolatry is largely associated with injustice in this world. In fact, the Qur'an calls it the greatest crime [Innash-Shirka Ladhulmun 'Adheem]]. Meaning, it is the general cause of crimes, especially the big ones, among humans.

Now, with that being said, the fact that some people have a mistake in terms of opinion doesn't in itself preclude them from God's blessing and mercy. If God had really wanted, he could simply have the entire world population as Muslims, and wiped out all the non Muslims, but that is not what has happened. Daily, Muslims recite the fact that God is the 'Lord' of the worlds. in Arabic, this phrase is Rabbil 'aal ameen, and the word Rabb means the one who nourishes, raises, cares for.

Meaning, despite the mistakes people may hold in their religious ideas, God still takes care of them, and punishes them only when their ideas lead to crimes or sins.

But for more on how Jesus fits into all this, please listen to the following.

"Jesus in Islam" at http://www.esnips.com/web/shamsuddinwsStuff/



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Exactly what did Jesus achieve?

Based on what I stated in my argument what can Jesus possibly have achieved.

Can you honestly say that we are better off because of the Jesus presented by Islam?

You say he achieved his mission? What did he achieve? Think carefully about it regarding the actual results and not just the intended results.
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Originally posted by truth_seeker777

Exactly what did Jesus achieve?

 
Jesus, peace be upon him, achieved a lot during the few years of his prophethood.
 
1- He made many people go from disbelief to belief through his preaching and also through the miracles God made him perform
 
2- He conveyed to the Jews the Injeel which included less severe laws for the followers of Moses, and he warned them to return to God's Straight Path, away from materialism and other ills which many suffered from
 
3- Some (or many) Muslims believe that the mission of Jesus is not yet complete and that he will return before the end to complete his mission on earth and to guide people to God's final Guidance, The Qur'an, and that he will fight the forces of evil in this world
 
This is one such view by a Muslim from Turkey:
 
 
 
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You cannot argue that he caused more harm than good. 1.8 billion Christians was the most prominent result of his visit. If you do not believe that Christianity is inline with Allah's will then you cannot say Jesus had a positive infuence in the world in the bigger scheme of things.

Very interesting that some Muslims believe he will return. We also believe he will return. Scripture says:

1) The jews will be scattered across the earth because of their unbelief.
2) They will be gathered back to the promised land near the end of days.
3) A world leader wil make a 7 year peace treaty with the new Israel and its surrounding powers.
4) This treaty will allow them to rebuild Solomons temple.
5) They will restart sacrifices.
6) 3.5 years into treaty the same world leader will turn on them with the same forces he used to "keep the peace".
7) A battle will rage over earth that will kill a 3rd of mankind. No one will be able to bury their dead because it says all will be infected with an infection that wont subside (radioactivity?)
8) Jesus arrives in the middle of this battle and ends it immediately. It says that if he had come a moment later no one would survive.

So many agree he will return. I think everyone needs to take Jesus more seriously. I think there is much to learn about him regarding every belief, especially Christians.
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Originally posted by truth_seeker777

You cannot argue that he caused more harm than good. 1.8 billion Christians was the most prominent result of his visit. If you do not believe that Christianity is inline with Allah's will then you cannot say Jesus had a positive infuence in the world in the bigger scheme of things.

 
Where did I say that Jesus caused more harm than good truth seeker?
 
What I said is that man-made changes were made in the teachings of Jesus, peace be upon him
 
There is a lot of common grounds between Muslims and Christians which we can build on for a better future for mankind in this world ...
 
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Where did I say that Jesus caused more harm than good truth seeker?


You did not say that but you have to admit it. If the purpose of Jesus was to add more believers to Allah's grace then it backfired and more stand condemed than ever before.

Christianity and Islam are exact opposites.

Christianity: You cannot be saved by any means but by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. For God so loved the word that he sent his only begotten son to die for our sins so that whoever shall believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Islam: You are saved by works of your own hands. To attribute partners to Allah is the ultimate sin and is unforgivable.


How can these completey different approaches to God mix. Either the one is wrong and the other is right. There is no middle ground.
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The errors which were introduced in Christianity were man-made errors after Jesus, peace be upon him
 
It is not his fault that the Chruch decided to go that way
 
(For you is your religion, and for me is my religion) (109:6)
 
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Christianity: You cannot be saved by any means but by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. For God so loved the word that he sent his only begotten son to die for our sins so that whoever shall believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life


The Bible says 'the father shall not bear the inequities of the son, neither shall the son bear the inequities of the father."

It also says "produce fruits in keeping with repentance."

It also says "every tub sits on its own bottom."

Common sense dictates that one must bear the fruits of his own labor.
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