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jimdi is a long standing TROLL on this forum. Just ignore him and whatever he says.

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To counter what jimdi has put up, here is a link to a CHRISTIAN organization which ministers to women and men in the strip club industry. Under ISLAMIC LAW, there is no strip club industry.

http://www.savedfromstripclubs.org/factsaboutexoticdancing.htm

jimdi, why dont u sort your own house first before lecturing others? Isn't that what Jesus told you to do? You care so much about oppressed women, go and get them out of all the strip clubs. Go and visit sets for porn movies and save those women. Or did Jesus tell you to use lies, misinformation and other such tactics behind a computer screen to call others to Christianity? And that's why you are wasting your life on this forum?
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Originally posted by Meriam

Peace brothers andd sisters,

what kind of place you have win and taste as woman now between the corners of the islamic verdicts?
 
Salam sister Meriem
( I am not a new Muslim by the way ) to answer your question
 
success, tranquility and trying to be helpful for other. I am raised in a religious Muslim family and there love, patience and sacrifice was a great power for me to success. i can admit that without my dady i would never be a doctor and with out the support i get i might not get high grades that qualify me to be a staff member in one of Egypt's universities.
 
Originally posted by Meriam

Is there any injustice?
 
 
Life is full of injustice, sometimes when other human being be unjust with you, it gives you more strength and experience in life, but injustice was never from Islam.
 
Originally posted by Meriam

Is there any difference between man and woman as Muslims , a difference which imply any ''supremacy''of one over the other?
 
 
 Of course there is difference.The concept of equality btw gender is not Islamic concept but the Islamic concept is equity ( both gender complete each other).Bother men and women have the same value but they have different rules in life and this is for their own good.and i personally believe that equality without equity is so unfair for women
 
let e give you an example:
 
Women get pregnant right?! why women should work with the same efficiency as men at the time of pregnancy, this would be so much load but because women are not like men there must be especial rules for pregnant and lactating women also women should be supported by Men (husbands or fathers) during these times or it wouldn't be fair
 
equality not always fair but equity is fair
 
 


Edited by mai moslemah - 23 August 2010 at 8:19pm
But don`t you see?that i am truely free? this piece of scarf on me;i wear so proudly to preserve my dignity,modesty & integrity....why can`t i just be me??? "i am the one who is free!!!!

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I do not know Meriam personally. It's just common sense to assume that since she lives in Tunisia, where the official language is Arabic, it's likely that she isn't a native speaker. And as far as asking for my opinion, you post plenty of opinions here that no one asked for. That's what DISCUSSION boards are about. And I wouldn't have had to castigate you in public if you weren't acting so rude in public. I don't like to see that kind of rudeness on an international forum. English isn't the only language in the world and not everyone speaks it fluently but we need to be tolerant. So instead of posting a rude comment about how she wrote, why didn't you take your own advice and private message her in order to coach her?


I am not my sister's keeper.  Who spots it, got it or words to that effect.  Quite frankly, I fail to see what you call my rudeness.  Maybe you need to contribute on the thread about "tolerance" ... I certainly haven't seen much here.
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No doubt, even from admin...I, for one am very shocked at what was said about Jimdi.   I'd hardly call someone that has been active on this forum for 5 yrs, a troll.
 
I don't think I'd be too quick to say there are no vices, eg strip clubs under islamic law.  BTW, strip clubs aren't the only vice out there related to...dare I say it?  Porn.  I happened to stumble across plenty of arabic porn sites on a simple search for something COMPLETELY unrelated.   So, based on that, I'd venture to say there are plenty of places that seem innocent enough on the outside, but in reality cater to the sick fantasies of men, in general.   As a matter of fact, when searching dance videos (because anyone here that knows me, knows that I study ME dance), I actually found a video of a ME dancer at a ME wedding...she stripped off her costume.  That is disgusting to me on 2 levels, at least.  1st because this took place in a country that claims the principles of islam and 2nd because it gives legitimate students/dancers a bad rep.  Kinda like nurses reps over there, too.


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You will not find an islamic organization that supprot porn or strip show.
But don`t you see?that i am truely free? this piece of scarf on me;i wear so proudly to preserve my dignity,modesty & integrity....why can`t i just be me??? "i am the one who is free!!!!

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Here is my thought regarding culture and religion
 
Cultures not always bad, and religion not always go against Cultures, so you can say that cultures in generally are good except when it goes against religion rules (in Islam we call this rules sharia).As human being you are responsible for your decisions
 
This is why i believe that new Muslims are more likely to live true Islam better than born Muslims
 
 
But don`t you see?that i am truely free? this piece of scarf on me;i wear so proudly to preserve my dignity,modesty & integrity....why can`t i just be me??? "i am the one who is free!!!!

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Originally posted by hamayoun

jimdi is a long standing TROLL on this forum. Just ignore him and whatever he says.

 
I haven't been here that long, but I read many of the threads. I have seen no evidence that jimdi is a troll or that what he says is unresearched or unfelt as part of his religion.
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Definition of a troll:

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

The name of this forum is Why Islam. There are a number of posters who have been for many years, including - but not limited - to jimdi3, who seek to do nothing more than discourage users from finding anything positive about Islam. To that extent, such people - according to the definition above - are clearly trolls. And trolling is the antithesis of tolerance and good manners. You don't find me going onto Christian forums and taking every opportunity to write something negative about Christianity, unlike the trolls we have on this forum.

This thread is about muslim women and dignity. Islamic Law gives women a huge amount of dignity by totally forbidding men from using women as sex workers in any form whatsoever. If we look at 'civilized' countries like the USA and the UK, men have carte blanche to use - and abuse women - in almost any form imaginable. Please read the link I put up to see examples of this. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out that in this case, Islamic Law shows far, far greater dignity to women.

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men have carte blanche to use - and abuse women - in almost any form imaginable.
 
That is an outrageous statement. If anyone's words should be ignored, I will nominate yours above.
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Originally posted by hamayoun


The name of this forum is Why Islam. There are a number of posters who have been for many years, including - but not limited - to jimdi3, who seek to do nothing more than discourage users from finding anything positive about Islam. To that extent, such people - according to the definition above - are clearly trolls. And trolling is the antithesis of tolerance and good manners. You don't find me going onto Christian forums and taking every opportunity to write something negative about Christianity, unlike the trolls we have on this forum.


Asalaam Alaikum:

I don't want to throw this thread off topic but I would like to share a personal experience.

A few years back I joined a fairly large Christian forum so I could interact with and have a productive dialog with Christians on there.

After 3 days, I was locked out of my account and sent an email saying I was banned from the forum because I espoused views other than Christianity. All my posts were very respectful and I tried to share with people there what Islam is all about.

Keep in mind that was only one Christian forum. There are probably hundreds or thousands out there, so I can't speak for all of them.

That said, WhyIslam is VERY tolerant. It takes quite an effort to get kicked off this forum.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The strong person is not the one who knocks others down, but the one who controls himself when angry."
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Regarding women in the US:

I work part time in retail to bring in some extra cash. Every summer I shake my head at the 12-year old girls who wear practically nothing. I see teen girls and adult women who do the same thing. And I also see men gawking at them.

As a man, I understand the thoughts and temptations that go along with seeing that. It's human nature. And yes, men need to control their urges, so they too have to take responsibility.

Certainly women have the right to wear what they want in this country. Although many times some (not all) seem to cross the line.

Personally, I like the hijab. It's modest, pious and reflects a solid dedication to God. And I think women who dress more modestly in general are viewed more for what's on the inside, not what their body looks like.

Just my two cents.

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Would you agree that you have  carte blanche to use and abuse these kids in any way imaginable? What about grown women?
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Originally posted by Francophile

Would you agree that you have  carte blanche to use and abuse these kids in any way imaginable? What about grown women?


Are you asking me? If so, I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're asking.

If not, then my apologies.
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