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If you believe that the purpose of life is to worship God, what do you believe the purpose of the Hereafter is?
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Rating: 0 of 0 votes Quote Al-Cordoby Replybullet Posted: 03 October 2017 at 3:39am
Originally posted by Non Believer

If you believe that the purpose of life is to worship God, what do you believe the purpose of the Hereafter is?


Hello NB

On the Day of Judgement, justice will be established.

That is one of the purposes of the Hereafter:

Those who commit crimes in this world and think they can get away with it will be held accountable on the Day of Judgement for all their crimes and injustices.

The victims of these injustices will get their compensation from their oppressors...

Sounds logical and fair?

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That wasn't really what I was asking. Yes, it's nice to think that evil people will face divine justice. I often hope that bad people face retribution.

What I was asking about is that some Muslims here have stated that the worldly life is a test. The outcome of the test, if you pass, is entrance into Paradise. Our death is the beginning of this new life, the life that Allah created us for. Is this accurate?

If so, then what is the purpose of this second life? What will your goals be?
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Originally posted by Non Believer


What I was asking about is that some Muslims here have stated that the worldly life is a test. The outcome of the test, if you pass, is entrance into Paradise. Our death is the beginning of this new life, the life that Allah created us for. Is this accurate?



Yes, that is correct.


<<If so, then what is the purpose of this second life?>>

Muslims believe that those who pass the test of this life will be rewarded in the Hereafter.

They will also be close to God.

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Rewarded how? Will you still have a need for your intellect? Will all of the mysteries of the Universe be revealed to you by the proximity of God? Will you be interested in pleasure? What sorts of things will you find pleasurable? Will you be social, if so, for what end?

Eternity is a very long time... VERY LONG!
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Sure eternity in a long time.

By definition it has no end.

And yes people will be social in Heaven.

They will be reunited with their families and loved ones.

Being in the company of those you love is in itself a great pleasure...

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You're still skirting the issue. My questions follow on from the Hamza Yusuf Hansen @ Templeton Prize talk you posted.

His main point is that religion answers the questions "why are we here? What is our purpose?", that even children ask (do they?). If the answer is "life is a test", then that just leads to the same questions about the next stage. When we are in Paradise, won't we ask the questions "why are we here? what is our purpose?"

Does religion actually do anything to solve this problem at all?

PS. Are you able to change the title of this thread? I wish that I had asked "Our purpose in the Hereafter?"

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Originally posted by Non Believer

When we are in Paradise, won't we ask the questions "why are we here? what is our purpose?"

Does religion actually do anything to solve this problem at all?

PS. Are you able to change the title of this thread? I wish that I had asked "Our purpose in the Hereafter?"


It's not at all a problem, NB.

In Heaven we won't ask why we are here, as that is our original home our souls return to. After this life it is the reward of the believers.

We believe this world is for us to do good deeds, and no reward.

Whereas Paradise is reward for the good deeds done here, with no work there.

The Abode of Peace our Creator invites us to return to, as mentioned in the Qur'an:

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And Allah invites to the Home of Peace and guides whom He wills to a straight path" (10:25)

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I'm still struggling over this, Al-Cordoby. A few years ago, I "retired" and after a year or two, I started working again; I needed the activity. I know retired people who spend most of their time visiting their children and grandchildren. This keeps them busy.

But in Paradise, if no one is doing anything and no one is growing up, then what is there to talk about with your family and friends? And what would be intellectually interesting in this place? We wouldn't be debating religion, obviously!
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Indeed, the righteous will be within gardens and springs.
[Having been told], "Enter it in peace, safe [and secure]."
And We will remove whatever is in their breasts of resentment (or any sense of injury (that they may have)), [so they will be] brothers, on thrones facing each other.
No fatigue will touch them therein, nor from it will they [ever] be removed. (15:45-48)

Wherein they abide eternally. They will not desire from it any transfer (i.e. No desire will they have to be removed therefrom). (18:80)

"Enter it in peace. This is the Day of Eternity."
They will have whatever they wish therein, and with Us is more. (50:34-35)

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

Allah said: I have prepared for my righteous servants what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no heart has perceived.

Exalted is your Lord, the Lord of might, above what they describe. And peace upon the messengers. And praise to Allah, Lord of the worlds. 37:180-182
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But why should one want any reward for treating others with kindness and charity?

I hope I do so treat people (and animals) but the thought of a 'reward' doesn't enter into it. I don't personally believe in any afterlife, hence no 'reward' but my own standards demand that I behave decently.

But as an adjunct to this topic, what would any of you like to discover, should there actually be a hereafter?

Indeed, there are many people (and animals) I would like to see again, but my main focus would be cosmology. I would like to know the things about the universe(s) that science will discover after I am dead.

I always liked the story about the new group in heaven. They were being escorted from place to place, but the angel who guided them warned them repeatedly to be very quiet. The guide pointed out lofty chambers reserved for Catholics and Jews and Muslims and believers in the Roman Pantheon and those mummified in ancient Egypt and Polynesian worshipers of gods and goddesses of volcanoes and... well, you get it.

Finally one of the newcomers asked the guide why it was necessary to be so quiet?

"We strive to keep everyone happy," said the guide, "but many of them can only be happy if they believe they're the only ones here."
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Originally posted by Non Believer

I'm still struggling over this, Al-Cordoby. A few years ago, I "retired" and after a year or two, I started working again; I needed the activity. I know retired people who spend most of their time visiting their children and grandchildren. This keeps them busy.

But in Paradise, if no one is doing anything and no one is growing up, then what is there to talk about with your family and friends? And what would be intellectually interesting in this place? We wouldn't be debating religion, obviously!


There will be plenty of things to learn and talk about, NB, don't worry.

So don't worry about the social life and entertainment.

I know you are comparing with this world, like say if you spend a super-luxury holiday in a 7 star hotel, after a month or so you would eventually get bored. Right?

The nature of the Hereafter is totally different from the nature of this world.

There believers won't need to do hard work to earn a living, as they will be surrounded with all what they need, and life there will be a life of total peace.

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With respect, that description of a hereafter sounds incredibly boring.

The descriptions of the Islamic afterlife that I've read make the recipients of this paradise sound like children. I'm with NB. Will I need my mind? Will I be content just to sit around and be surrounded by all the (material?) things that I need?

Of course, I'm a woman, and the Islamic Jannah could not be more off-putting to me.

http://idealmuslimah.com/the-hereafter/paradise/2377-the-pleasures-of-paradise.html

I understand how desert dwellers would long for rivers of clean water, but mansions made of jewels? Tree trunks of gold? Wine that does not intoxicate? Boys to provide service?

The descriptions of the Islamic paradise are so specific. For men.

There is a certain "When I win the big lottery I'm gonna buy...!" flavor to it all.It's as if the goal of life is to be filthy rich.

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Originally posted by Doris

But why should one want any reward for treating others with kindness and charity?

I hope I do so treat people (and animals) but the thought of a 'reward' doesn't enter into it.


Not all people are like you, Doris.

Many people need to be motivated with rewards and also with the enforcement of the Law.

Example: A category 5 hurricane strikes, and some people start looting shops and stealing what they can in the absence of the police.

I'm sure you are not that type, but there are many people out there who behave well only because there is a policeman nearby...

And the opposite is also true.

Rewards in the form of an annual bonus does often increase productivity.

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