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    Posted: 14 October 2017 at 6:51pm
All of us are your enemies. Why do you deny it?

How should non-Muslims respond to this kind of hatred?

This region has been afflicted with destructive ideas and concentrative efforts from the enemies of Allah to Christianize and call its people to Communism, Buddhism and other destructive and wicked beliefs promulgated by many of the enemies of Allah.
Defending Islam is obligatory on the scholars of Islam in Southeast Asia, more than others, because they live in the midst of these destructive movements and see and hear about them. So, it is obligatory upon them to strive sincerely to combat these destructive ideas, devilish beliefs, and deviant sects. They must expose falsehood and cooperate concertedly and sincerely to spread Islam, call to it, clarify its rulings, merits, and respond to its opponents. They should also explain the falsehood, deviation, and evil ends of such falsehood mongers.
It is obligatory on Muslim countries all over the world to help Muslims of this region that is afflicted with destructive beliefs, missionaries, Communism, Buddhism, libertinism, etc. Scholars of Islam everywhere must exert efforts to help their Muslim scholars and callers in this region to stop this imminent danger and to cooperate in fighting them by all legal means.
There is no doubt that establishing Islam in that region, calling to it, and resisting opponents require great effort and continuous care. We hope that the future there will be good as well as in other regions. We ask Allah to make the efforts of callers, reformers, and scholars successful.
It is obligatory on the scholars and callers to Allah everywhere to address the problems of East Asia region first and collect information about them carefully. Moreover, local scholars, callers to Allah, and other foreign callers have to identify its problems and the means of the enemies in missionary movements in order to eradicate the disease and reach a final cure by the permission of Allah.

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The Mufti of Saudi Arabia does not represent Islam

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I am from South East Asia, Singapore.

In my country, a non-Muslim minister, a Hindu, just a fortnight ago, told the public that only one-fourth of the Muslim children are attending Madrasahs. Yes, we can count easily. He said he is worried. Do you know why he is worried? He knows the easily radicalized among the Muslims are those without early Islamic education that lays the foundation. With a good foundation, a Muslim is less likely radicalized, studies have shown.

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Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

The Mufti of Saudi Arabia does not represent Islam
What are you accusing him of?
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The Wahhabi understanding of Islam in KSA is too literal, and this leads to extreme views, which contradict with the core values of Islam, which are based on moderation and peace.


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The Wahhabi understanding of Islam in KSA is too literal, and this leads to extreme views, which contradict with the core values of Islam, which are based on moderation and peace.
What is an example of something the Wahhabi understand that is too literal?
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Originally posted by Non Believer

Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

The Wahhabi understanding of Islam in KSA is too literal, and this leads to extreme views, which contradict with the core values of Islam, which are based on moderation and peace.
What is an example of something the Wahhabi understand that is too literal?


When the prophet said the false messiah has only 1 eye, they took that literally too. So they are actually waiting for a man with only 1 eye on the face.

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Originally posted by Traveller

Originally posted by Non Believer

Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

The Wahhabi understanding of Islam in KSA is too literal, and this leads to extreme views, which contradict with the core values of Islam, which are based on moderation and peace.
What is an example of something the Wahhabi understand that is too literal?
When the prophet said the false messiah has only 1 eye, they took that literally too. So they are actually waiting for a man with only 1 eye on the face.
That's it? For that reason you wouldn't study in Mecca where your prayers would be 10000 times more valuable?

I think you are evading the question.
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One of the problems of being too literal, NB, is to misunderstand the text by not understanding the right context to which the text refers to.

It is important to understand both, the text and the context, in order to reach a correct understanding of the Qur'an and the Hadith, and being too literal, by taking a text out of its context, and applying it in another context is what makes the literalists reach wrong conclusions and wrong understandings.

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And you still haven't provided a single practical example of this that would justify the way you are maligning this Sheikh as someone who does not represent Islam.
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al-Cordoby, I, for one, would appreciate a clarification of your statement:

"the core values of Islam, which are based on moderation and peace."

I know about the pillars, but where are these 'core values' explained? In the Quaran? If so, can you indicate where a statement of these values may be found?

Further, if the mufti under discussion does not speak for Islam, who does?

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Originally posted by Non Believer

Originally posted by Traveller

Originally posted by Non Believer

Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

The Wahhabi understanding of Islam in KSA is too literal, and this leads to extreme views, which contradict with the core values of Islam, which are based on moderation and peace.
What is an example of something the Wahhabi understand that is too literal?
When the prophet said the false messiah has only 1 eye, they took that literally too. So they are actually waiting for a man with only 1 eye on the face.
That's it? For that reason you wouldn't study in Mecca where your prayers would be 10000 times more valuable?

I think you are evading the question.


Well, you wanted an example of something the Wahhabi understand that is too literal and there, I've given you one.

If you want to know why we don't send our students to Saudi Arabia universities, it's because their teachings are not suitable for us, a multi-faith and multi-racial society.

This has nothing to do with Makkah or Madinah, our holy sanctuaries.





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Originally posted by Doris

al-Cordoby, I, for one, would appreciate a clarification of your statement:

"the core values of Islam, which are based on moderation and peace."

I know about the pillars, but where are these 'core values' explained? In the Quaran? If so, can you indicate where a statement of these values may be found?

Further, if the mufti under discussion does not speak for Islam, who does?



And thus have We willed you to be a community of the middle way, so that [with your lives] you might bear witness to the truth before all mankind, and that the Apostle might bear witness to it before you. - Quran 2:143

The 'middle way' means moderate path and not the extreme path.

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