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Where does India stand in this third world war?
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'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds'. Spoken by Robert Oppenheimer – the so-called father of the atomic bomb – on witnessing the first detonation of a nuclear weapon on July 16, 1945. He was quoting a line from the Bhagavad-Gita.

The following is taken from an article by Sebastien Roblin, published earlier this year by the Centre for the National Interest. The article is entitled: ‘Why a So-Called "Limited" Nuclear War Between India and Pakistan Would Devastate the Planet.’:

‘Between February 26 and 27 in 2019, Indian and Pakistani warplanes launched strikes on each other’s territory and engaged in aerial combat for the first time since 1971. Pakistan ominously hinted it was convening its National Command Authority, the institution which can authorize a nuclear strike.

‘The two states, which have retained an adversarial relationship since their founding in 1947, between them deploy nuclear warheads that can be delivered by land, air and sea.

‘However, those weapons are inferior in number and yield to the thousands of nuclear weapons possessed by Russia and the United States, which include megaton-class weapons that can wipe out a metropolis in a single blast.

‘Some commenters have callously suggested that means a “limited regional nuclear war” would remain an Indian and Pakistani problem. People find it difficult to assess the risk of rare but catastrophic events; after all, a full-scale nuclear war has never occurred before, though it has come close to happening.

‘Such assessments are not only shockingly callous but shortsighted. In fact, several studies have modelled the global impact of a “limited” ten-day nuclear war in which India and Pakistan each exchange fifty 15-kiloton nuclear bombs equivalent in yield to the Little Boy uranium bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Their findings concluded that spillover would in no way be “limited,” directly impacting people across the globe that would struggle to locate Kashmir on a map. And those results are merely a conservative baseline, as India and Pakistan are estimated to possess over 260 warheads. Some likely have yields exceeding 15-kilotons, which is relatively small compared to modern strategic warheads.

‘Recurring terrorist attacks by Pakistan-sponsored militant groups over the status of India’s Muslim-majority Jammu and Kashmir state have repeatedly led to threats of a conventional military retaliation by New Delhi.

‘Pakistan, in turn, maintains it may use nuclear weapons as a first-strike weapon to counter-balance India’s superior conventional forces. Triggers could involve the destruction of a large part of Pakistan’s military or penetration by Indian forces deep into Pakistani territory. Islamabad also claims it might authorize a strike in event of a damaging Indian blockade or political destabilization instigated by India.

‘India’s official policy is that it will never be first to strike with nuclear weapons—but that once any nukes are used against it, New Dehli will unleash an all-out retaliation.

‘The Little Boy bomb alone killed around 100,000 Japanese—between 30 to 40 percent of Hiroshima’s population—and destroyed 69 percent of the buildings in the city. But Pakistan and India host some of the most populous and densely populated cities on the planet, with population densities of Calcutta, Karachi and Mumbai at or exceeding 65,000 people per square mile. Thus, even low-yield bombs could cause tremendous casualties.

‘A 2014 study estimates that the immediate effects of the bombs—the fireball, over-pressure wave, radiation burns etc.—would kill twenty million people. An earlier study estimated a hundred 15-kiloton nuclear detonations could kill twenty-six million in India and eighteen million in Pakistan—and concluded that escalating to using 100-kiloton warheads, which have greater blast radius and overpressure waves that can shatter hardened structures, would multiply death tolls four-fold. Moreover, these projected body counts omit the secondary effects of nuclear blasts. Many survivors of the initial explosion would suffer slow, lingering deaths due to radiation exposure. The collapse of healthcare, transport, sanitation, water and economic infrastructure would also claim many more lives. A nuclear blast could also trigger a deadly firestorm. For instance, a firestorm caused by the U.S. napalm bombing of Tokyo in March 1945 killed more people than the Fat Man bomb killed in Nagasaki.

‘Radioactive fallout would also be disseminated across the globe. The fallout from the Chernobyl explosion, for example, wounds its way westward from Ukraine into Western Europe, exposing 650,000 persons and contaminating 77,000 square miles. The long-term health effects of the exposure could last decades. India and Pakistan’s neighbors would be especially exposed, and most lack healthcare and infrastructure to deal with such a crisis.

‘Studies in 2008 and 2014 found that if one hundred bombs (of) fifteen-kilotons were used, (they) would blast five million tons of fine, sooty particles into the stratosphere, where they would spread across the globe, warping global weather patterns for the next twenty-five years. The particles would block out light from the sun, causing surface temperatures to decrease an average of 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit across the globe, or 4.5 degrees in North American and Europe. Growing seasons would be shortened by ten to forty days, and certain crops such as Canadian wheat would simply become unviable. Global agricultural yields would fall, leading to rising prices and famine.

‘The particles may also deplete between 30 to 50 percent of the ozone layer, allowing more of the sun’s radiation to penetrate the atmosphere, causing increased sunburns and rates of cancer and killing off sensitive plant-life and marine plankton, with the spillover effect of decimating fishing yields.

‘To be clear, these are outcomes for a “light” nuclear winter scenario, not a full slugging match between the Russian and U.S. arsenals.

‘Any one of the factors above would likely suffice to cause a global economic recession. All of them combined would guarantee one.

‘India and Pakistan account for over one-fifth world’s population, and therefore a significant share of economic activity. Should their major cities become irradiated ruins with their populations decimated, a tremendous disruption would surely result. A massive decrease in consumption and production would obviously instigate a long-lasting recessionary cycle, with attendant deprivations and political destabilization slamming developed and less-developed countries alike.

‘Taken together, these outcomes mean even a “limited” India-Pakistan nuclear war would significantly affect every person on the globe, be they a school teacher in Nebraska, a factory-worker in Shaanxi province or a fisherman in Mombasa.

‘Unfortunately, the recent escalation between India and Pakistan is no fluke, but part of a long-simmering pattern likely to continue escalating unless New Delhi and Islamabad work together to change the nature of their relationship.’

The British author Aldous Huxley once wrote: ‘Maybe this world is another planet’s hell.’

An all-out, global, nuclear war would guarantee hell on earth; and that is why it is highly unlikely to happen.

It is claimed that a regional nuclear war between India and Pakistan would – because of the resulting nuclear winter – kill more than a billion people. The governments of these two countries really do need to sort themselves out; and to work together, for the general good of both nations. The same is true for other governments, and for other nations, of course.     
'Sometimes, silence is the best answer for a fool.'(Alī ibn Abī Tālib‎)
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Sobering read Niblo.

out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:5
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Indeed, Damo.

In the early 1960s I was a volunteer with the British Civil Defence. We used to run joint exercises with the police and fire services: simulated nuclear attacks, and dealing with the aftermath. All very serious, well planned and earnest. It wasn’t until I joined the Royal Air Force – with subsequent lectures and briefings – that I came to realise that what we had been taught in the CD – and what the general public had been ‘educated’ in – was total bunkum! Propaganda aimed – not at helping people survive an attack – but at keeping them quiet and ‘reassured’!    

What is truly sobering is that – over the years – I have not heard, or read, a single military strategist – or scientist specialising in these weapons – who disagrees with Roblin’s assessment of their effects.
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Originally posted by The_Rock

I recently encountered a man, a muslim, who told me "Judaism is like going to elementary school, Christianity is like going to high school, Islam is going to University"

I presumed that this has something to do with the chronology of the religions. So I asked him what he meant.

But he actually meant it, in his opinion islam was far more complex than christianity and judaism.

christianity, I get.

But judaism?


Whoever said that to you you completely ignored Zoroastrianism. Basically the great granddaddy of all.
Older than Judaism, but basically the idea of that one god or "light" that disputed the multiple gods of that time. It became the major religion of Persia and it influenced the Jewish belief.

Now I call this history. The next and only step towards enlightenment is to embrace science. As an atheist, I can tell you pure freedom and liberation is shedding the shackles of religion. Emancipation of your mind is amazing.
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And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me." [21:25]

And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little." [17:85]

Indeed, those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without [any] authority having come to them - there is not within their breasts except pride, [the extent of] which they cannot reach. So seek refuge in Allah. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Seeing.
( 57 )   The creation of the heavens and earth is greater than the creation of mankind, but most of the people do not know. [40:56-57]

And when their messengers came to them with clear proofs, they [merely] rejoiced in what they had of knowledge, but they were enveloped by what they used to ridicule. [40:83]

Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]?
Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain. [52:33-34]

Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful." [39:53]
Exalted is your Lord, the Lord of might, above what they describe. And peace upon the messengers. And praise to Allah, Lord of the worlds. 37:180-182
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Originally posted by Cornelius



Now I call this history. The next and only step towards enlightenment is to embrace science. As an atheist, I can tell you pure freedom and liberation is shedding the shackles of religion. Emancipation of your mind is amazing.


Those very same sentiments resulted in the eradication of millions via communism. I call that that the cause of recent genocidal history. Your kind of 'enlightenment'indeed emancipated countless men women and children to their shallow graves.
out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:5
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Jews are ready to fight rebal war in Russia with the Christians and the Muslims. Who agrees?
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Those Jews who fought the war of Iraq should help Muslims and the US to fight Russian war.
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