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Topic: Women Soldiers Raped by Soldiers More Than Killed
Posted By: M.A.R.W.A.N
Subject: Women Soldiers Raped by Soldiers More Than Killed
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 2:13pm
I'm not shocked easily but even this is beyond my understanding. The 41% & 29% are brutal.

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In today s LA Times, Rep. Jane Harman sheds light on the staggering number of sexual assaults within the military, stating, Women serving in the U.S. military are more likely to be raped by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq."


Rapists in the Ranks
Sexual assaults are frequent, and frequently ignored, in the armed services.

By Jane Harman (note: she's a seven-term Democratic member of House of Representatives, 36th Dist., California, "chairs the House Homeland Security subcommittee on intelligence.")

March 31, 2008

The stories are shocking in their simplicity and brutality: A female military recruit is pinned down at knifepoint and raped repeatedly in her own barracks. Her attackers hid their faces but she identified them by their uniforms; they were her fellow soldiers. During a routine gynecological exam, a female soldier is attacked and raped by her military physician. Yet another young soldier, still adapting to life in a war zone, is raped by her commanding officer. Afraid for her standing in her unit, she feels she has nowhere to turn.

These are true stories, and, sadly, not isolated incidents. Women serving in the U.S. military are more likely to be raped by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq.

The scope of the problem was brought into acute focus for me during a visit to the West Los Angeles VA Healthcare Center, where I met with female veterans and their doctors. My jaw dropped when the doctors told me that 41% of female veterans seen at the clinic say they were victims of sexual assault while in the military, and 29% report being raped during their military service.

For more ==> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-harman31mar31,0,5399612.story - http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-harman31mar31,0,5399612.story




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Posted By: hamayoun
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 2:22pm
Salam

Unbelievable.  Please note that this the LA Times, not Al Jazeera.  The question that comes to mind for me is: if this what they do to their own female soldiers, what the hell are they doing to the 'enemy' women?


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Posted By: bayleaf
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 2:40pm
I'm not shocked.  As far as current headlines go, I'm more shocked to see the Detroit Pistons unseat Shaq and the Suns...
 
I mean, these are precisely the sort of statistics that the ongoing debate on women in the military has long forecasted.  I'm not saying it's acceptable behavior, but it is nonetheless normal behavior.


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Posted By: scruggnut
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 2:51pm
I'm not surprised, actually.  It seems likely that many people who enlist into the military (especially the american military) must have a few screws loose, to say the least.

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Posted By: devd
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by scruggnut

I'm not surprised, actually. It seems likely that many people who enlist into the military (especially the american military) must have a few screws loose, to say the least.


Why does it seem likely?


Posted By: scruggnut
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 3:23pm
I guess that i'm coming from a place where i wouldn't hurt anyone unless they hurt me, but in doing so, i would know full well why i'm doing it.
Within the military, one can go somewhere to fight someone that they don't even have a clear idea as to why they are fighting, but they only know that their commander in chief told them to.
Also, it's my belief that many people who enter a thing such as the military, do so because of the power they would wield and that type of thing suggests an unchecked ego.


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Posted By: ScoobyGurl
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by bayleaf

I'm not shocked.  As far as current headlines go, I'm more shocked to see the Detroit Pistons unseat Shaq and the Suns...
 
I mean, these are precisely the sort of statistics that the ongoing debate on women in the military has long forecasted.  I'm not saying it's acceptable behavior, but it is nonetheless normal behavior.


ditto.


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Posted By: Aviatrix
Date Posted: 01 April 2008 at 4:10pm
I haven't found any good news reports about it but it sure seems like there are a lot of wives of soldiers who end up getting beaten, and even murdered, when their husbands come home. A lot of murder-suicides. Most of the ones we seem to hear about here are from the military bases (which aren't too far from where I live.)
 
About women soldiers being raped... it's almost certainly higher than it seems, since they probably risk being ostracized if they report it, more so than the men who are responsible.
 
My brother-in-law was in the Marines, and spent 6 months (pre-9/11) on an aircraft carrier, and I got the impression from him that women on the boat aren't respected at all. He also said some of them even prostitute themselves to other soldiers for cash.
 
The whole system is soooooooo messed up, so wrong.


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Posted By: M.A.R.W.A.N
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 10:19am
It's hard to believe I live in a time when women soldiers getting regularly raped by their own is considered normal.

I've got to give Mrs. Jane H. the credit/courage for writing this report, can't be easy in an election year. But damn, this is disturbing, purely barbaric.

There is no way in hell good can come from these kind of people, those that do it (and those that don't do anything about it).

Bloody hell, what kind of army do we have now!


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Posted By: Eli'jah
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 2:27pm
What do you care, you hate the military anyways....

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Posted By: mai moslemah
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 2:38pm
Hey Eli'jah ...long time

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Posted By: Islamway
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 3:02pm
Aren't those so called soldiers trained to fight? how come they can't defend themselves from being raped?

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Posted By: MedGirl
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by Islamway

Aren't those so called soldiers trained to fight? how come they can't defend themselves from being raped?

Good question lol


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Posted By: M.A.R.W.A.N
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 3:17pm
not here, next page

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Posted By: mai moslemah
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by hamayoun

Salam

Unbelievable.  Please note that this the LA Times, not Al Jazeera.  The question that comes to mind for me is: if this what they do to their own female soldiers, what the hell are they doing to the 'enemy' women?
 
I can guess


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Posted By: M.A.R.W.A.N
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 3:27pm
Originally posted by Eli'jah

What do you care, you hate the military anyways....


AA Eli'jah.

A real man wouldn't have to ask why I care about female soldiers being raped by their male counterparts. A real man would know.




AA Islamway, female soldiers are hardly properly trained to fight off men. Almost any woman faced against a few rapists has very little chance of fending them off. See for yourself what happens to men in prison.

Then there's this guy I respect dearly ==>
"You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong no matter who does it or says it". ~Malcolm X

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Posted By: ScoobyGurl
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by M.A.R.W.A.N

It's hard to believe I live in a time when women soldiers getting regularly raped by their own is considered normal.

I've got to give Mrs. Jane H. the credit/courage for writing this report, can't be easy in an election year. But damn, this is disturbing, purely barbaric.

There is no way in hell good can come from these kind of people, those that do it (and those that don't do anything about it).

Bloody hell, what kind of army do we have now!
 
I don't know if normal is the word. There's nothing "normal" about the behavior.
 
However, I'm not surprised because men in this society and all societies are still socialized to treat women like "the other" and to think that women belong in certain places, the military not being one of them. I doubt the US military is the only military where this occurs.
 
The military is already a hyperaggressive environment. I think that a lot of men in the military still see women as 1) stepping out of place 2) threatening their position. Thus, I think for men who do attack women in the military, it's their way of reasserting "power" and putting women "back in their place". Sexual assault in the military is no different than sexual assault in civilian life. Both are crimes of power and both result from the lower position of women in society.


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Posted By: mai moslemah
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 4:01pm
what do u mean by lower position of women ?

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Posted By: scruggnut
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 4:01pm
Unfortunately scoobygurl is right.

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Posted By: jamilahz
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 4:39pm
Military structure is such that when a woman is attacked by her superior officer it is not the same as being raped by your boss at work... Its not the same as in a civilian world at all.  

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Posted By: LtTony
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 4:47pm
scooby wrote: I doubt the US military is the only military where this occurs.
 
I also think she is right, unfortunately.
 
 
Eli'jah wrote:  What do you care, you hate the military anyways....
 
Yeah, not a lot has changed, lol.  Good to see you back.
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: M.A.R.W.A.N
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 6:02pm
Some things have changed, for example, I just realized that even though some men carry male genes, they're not really men at all.

More like scared sheep. Tell them something serious like our women are being viciously attacked and all they can say is "you hate the military" & "not much has changed". Or in sheep language "bahahahahahahaha".

If you were in the military I would use you as the poster child of what a solider should never be, then I'd advocate that someone with your intellect should neither hold a gun nor hold any position where you watch over others.

You'd become the first Army of None.


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Posted By: jamilahz
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 6:08pm
I did a bunch of google searches on non US military and women and didn't come up with anything of consequence.  Either other countries do not have women in combat zones or it does not happen much.

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Posted By: mai moslemah
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 6:09pm

MARAWAN...I totally totally agree...No wonder many women suffer



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Posted By: ScoobyGurl
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 6:57pm
Originally posted by jamilahz

Military structure is such that when a woman is attacked by her superior officer it is not the same as being raped by your boss at work... Its not the same as in a civilian world at all.  


I meant in terms of motivation and cause. Not the consequences of the action.


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Posted By: ScoobyGurl
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by jamilahz

I did a bunch of google searches on non US military and women and didn't come up with anything of consequence.  Either other countries do not have women in combat zones or it does not happen much.


There are other countries that have women in combat zones. Israel being the first example that came to my mind. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/01/israel.soldiers.ap/index.html - Canada, Germany, Denmark, and Norway also allow women in combat. However, that doesn't have anything to do with women in the military getting raped.


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Posted By: ScoobyGurl
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 7:17pm
Originally posted by mai moslemah

what do u mean by lower position of women ?


second class or minority position.


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Posted By: jamilahz
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 7:45pm
Originally posted by ScoobyGurl

Originally posted by jamilahz

I did a bunch of google searches on non US military and women and didn't come up with anything of consequence.  Either other countries do not have women in combat zones or it does not happen much.


There are other countries that have women in combat zones. Israel being the first example that came to my mind. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/01/israel.soldiers.ap/index.html - Canada, Germany, Denmark, and Norway also allow women in combat. However, that doesn't have anything to do with women in the military getting raped.


You had said you doubt that the US military was the only placed this occurred, so I was looking for findings on that. 

You don't think that women being placed in combat zones does not increase their chances of being raped?


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Posted By: Misbah
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 8:25pm
Originally posted by jamilahz



You don't think that women being placed in combat zones does not increase their chances of being raped?



Salaam,

No it shouldn't increase anything as because the women are actually working, they are colleagues and should be respect that way. As before, its like so if a women was working in a office with mainly men, does this increase her chances of getting raped?.. no it shouldn't.. if it does then well ....I'm pretty shocked.

(I mean I'm not being sarcastic, I'm questioning myself)




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Posted By: jamilahz
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 8:31pm
Well it shouldn't but it does... 

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Posted By: Misbah
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 8:39pm
Yeah i know....

Anyway Bedtime for moi.
12.38a.m


Wasalaam


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Posted By: bayleaf
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 9:39pm
I don't want to turn this into a discussion about extra-military rape statistics, but I do want to slightly shift the focus for just a second.  Misbah asks above,
 
As before, its like so if a women was working in a office with mainly men, does this increase her chances of getting raped?.. no it shouldn't.. if it does then well ....I'm pretty shocked.
 
This is an excellent question.  Should it?  Yes and no.
 
On the 'no' side, the woman should feel relatively safe due to the legal consequences and repercussions she can pursue as a rights-entitled citizen, not to mention the company policies pertaining to sexual harassment.  However, sometimes a woman's rights can be bought out, and corporate executives and their cronies are typically in a position to do such.
 
On the 'yes' side, I'm actually quite convinced that a woman's chances of being raped when outnumbered by men is significantly greater than when a higher concentration of women is present.  This reminds me of a small blip in an episode of "Family Guy" -- a group of college students are watching a movie on a large screen.  The woman on the movie screen says, "Hi, Im Kelly McGillis and Im here to talk to you about rape. Ladies, look to your left. Now look to your right. Statistics indicate that both of those men will rape you."  The camera then focuses on a college girl sitting between two guys.  She looks nervously at them.  The first guy says, "I'm not gonna rape you."
 
Guy number two: "I might."


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Posted By: Aviatrix
Date Posted: 02 April 2008 at 10:52pm
I thought I would add something here...
 
I know that many (most? all?) soldiers are in fact trained to show respect to women. When a soldier's wife enters the base the officer guarding the checkpoint will salute her. Officers were supposed to be gentlemen, and respectful.
 
The rape issue is as a lot of people have already described--an attack on woman to show power, put her in her place, etc. I would expect that often it is a group attack rather than an individual one, with several men subduing the woman. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with being in a combat zone--clearly, if rapes are still happening during peacetime (which they do).


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Posted By: ScoobyGurl
Date Posted: 03 April 2008 at 12:16am
Originally posted by jamilahz

Originally posted by ScoobyGurl

Originally posted by jamilahz

I did a bunch of google searches on non US military and women and didn't come up with anything of consequence.  Either other countries do not have women in combat zones or it does not happen much.


There are other countries that have women in combat zones. Israel being the first example that came to my mind. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/01/israel.soldiers.ap/index.html - Canada, Germany, Denmark, and Norway also allow women in combat. However, that doesn't have anything to do with women in the military getting raped.


You had said you doubt that the US military was the only placed this occurred, so I was looking for findings on that. 

You don't think that women being placed in combat zones does not increase their chances of being raped?


It's not being in combat that increases their chances of rape. In the study, there was no correlation between being in combat and rape. The women were being raped by other soldiers, fellow soldiers.

ETA: Amy and bayleaf pretty much explained it much better.


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Posted By: sahbun
Date Posted: 06 April 2008 at 9:10am
If you think yhat you will put women in army and their male soldiers will treat them as their sisters........ then you are the biggest fool.
especially in case of American army.

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Posted By: Misbah
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 6:22am
Oh please! to the above! you cant just say 'American Soldiers' its happens everywhere it's just you don't hear about it!




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Posted By: sahbun
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 7:06am
I said especially in case of

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Posted By: ScoobyGurl
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 10:44am
Right, because Americans are especially evil and immoral. .

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Posted By: M.A.R.W.A.N
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:08am
To be fair, he specifically wrote American army, he did not write Americans.
 
Some time ago people would have blamed the Germans, other times Japanese...sometimes Crusaders and yet other times Communists....
 
Let's not be surprised now that we're in the mix, afterall, our Government has invaded 2 countries recently, supported countless human rights violations internationaly and I remember some time ago http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5077984.stm - according to BBC, this had spilled over we were ranked as the Biggest Threat to Global Peace .
 
So yes, the general perception against us is very real. It's not fair that americans have to pay for the mistakes of their Government (or their military) - but in the irony of ironies, the bad publicity against Muslims is now happening to americans as well. Just like it happened to people before us.
 
 
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Posted By: jamilahz
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:11am
Good points Marwan.. 

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Posted By: M.A.R.W.A.N
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:12am

Thank you Jamilah.



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Posted By: deep thought
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:22am
U see.. This is where u guys are wrong....  Sadly, women are raped in ALL societies... Why should the U.S. Military be any different..? I dont condone the rape of anyone but people are people no mater what organization they belong to. Yes, we try to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the normal "Joe" in America but we have our bad apples... I assure u that the people who do things like this to female soldiers are in the minority.. VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. I, for example, wouldn't dare do such a thing and I am the majority... We are tauht to respect women and I guarantee u the average soldier has better manners when dealing with women than a non-military man in the U.S.. Its not fair that u guys slam the whole military for a small faction of idiots.... U guys cry when people slam Islam as a terroist religion for the actions of few... Lets cut the hypocrisy!! MARWAN, you're a pretty cool guy but dont get me started on Iraq... I think my opinion carries more weight.. I live in Baghdad... I talk to locals... I have a pretty good idea of whats REALLY going on.... I'll say this... We were wrong for invading Iraq on the REASONS GIVEN... I'll leave it at that!


Posted By: hamayoun
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 11:48am
Salam

Since current events is now back, why don't we open a thread on the Iraq war there, take off the kid gloves, and discuss it with no holds barred?


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Posted By: M.A.R.W.A.N
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 12:34pm

Thanks Deepthought as well, I agree with almost everything you said.



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Posted By: ScoobyGurl
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 1:59pm
Originally posted by M.A.R.W.A.N

To be fair, he specifically wrote American army, he did not write Americans.
 
Some time ago people would have blamed the Germans, other times Japanese...sometimes Crusaders and yet other times Communists....
 
Let's not be surprised now that we're in the mix, afterall, our Government has invaded 2 countries recently, supported countless human rights violations internationaly and I remember some time ago http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5077984.stm - according to BBC, this had spilled over we were ranked as the Biggest Threat to Global Peace .
 
So yes, the general perception against us is very real. It's not fair that americans have to pay for the mistakes of their Government (or their military) - but in the irony of ironies, the bad publicity against Muslims is now happening to americans as well. Just like it happened to people before us.
 
 
Even by qualifying Americans with "army" I still take issue with the post. A lot of soldiers, in fact, I would venture to say most soldiers in the army are 1) working class or poor 2) looking to help not harm people 3) probably not extremely well informed about foriegn policy to begin with.
 
I'm just as critical of American foriegn policy as anyone. That being said, stereotypes don't help anyone and they don't help to foster dialogue. I don't care if it's against Muslims, Americans or anyone else. Saying that American soliders are so bad, evil, blah, blah, blah is no better than me demonizing Saddam's army as evil, the Japanese soldiers in WWII as evil, etc. I think American soldiers, like soldiers of other countries and times, are for the most part, caught up in circumstances that they ultimately have little control over.
 


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Posted By: M.A.R.W.A.N
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 3:32pm

You're right in that stereotypes don't help, but it's important to understand the language of the speaker - when people claim the US Gov. commits crimes overseas, they hardly ever mean every member and public servant. This is not the same as  white supremacy advocates, anti-muslims, anti-semites, etc. for they hate specific people without discrimination, no pun intended.

It is the general trend of actions that our critics refer to, I'm referring to our civil critics, not the blindly hateful ones.
 
We can't all be like Mu'aawiyah raa and run what is considered to have been a most successful government - solving every internal problem before it increased.....no, we are dealing with an incompetent government that neither truly cares for their people nor their own soldiers....add to that the fact that most people outside the US aren't really that different from us (meaning they're too lazy to filter the truth, they much prefer oversimplifications like black & white storytelling) and you get the expected result, people lump us into one group - wether it's  "those americans..." ,or "those muslims...." or "those jews...."  and speak as if we're all at fault. This has been repeated too many times in history and it's never been right, but it's reality.
 
 


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Posted By: M.A.R.W.A.N
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 3:33pm
You made some excellent points though....

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Posted By: IssaRaheem
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 6:55pm
Salaam,
 
My best friend's wifes sister was raped in the Army last year...
 
American culture is soooooo sex driven in this day and age, it's a perfect reciepe for young immature men  with raging hormones to do the unthinkable... Now having said that, rape exsists in all parts of the world, it's just a fact that more American stories get covered...


Posted By: deep thought
Date Posted: 07 April 2008 at 7:00pm

Issa... I agree... U would not believe the stories I have heard from Iraqi's who fought against the Iranians.



Posted By: ScoobyGurl
Date Posted: 08 April 2008 at 5:01pm
Originally posted by M.A.R.W.A.N

You're right in that stereotypes don't help, but it's important to understand the language of the speaker - when people claim the US Gov. commits crimes overseas, they hardly ever mean every member and public servant. This is not the same as  white supremacy advocates, anti-muslims, anti-semites, etc. for they hate specific people without discrimination, no pun intended.

It is the general trend of actions that our critics refer to, I'm referring to our civil critics, not the blindly hateful ones.
 
We can't all be like Mu'aawiyah raa and run what is considered to have been a most successful government - solving every internal problem before it increased.....no, we are dealing with an incompetent government that neither truly cares for their people nor their own soldiers....add to that the fact that most people outside the US aren't really that different from us (meaning they're too lazy to filter the truth, they much prefer oversimplifications like black & white storytelling) and you get the expected result, people lump us into one group - wether it's  "those americans..." ,or "those muslims...." or "those jews...."  and speak as if we're all at fault. This has been repeated too many times in history and it's never been right, but it's reality.
 
 
 
True. Still, it can be really frustrating sometime, especially when you don't support the policies of the US Government. For instance, when my umm went on hajj, a women from Eastern Europe said to her that she hates Americans. When my mother told her that Allah makes all Muslims including American Muslims, the lady backtracked and told my mom she meant Bush and not all Americans. The woman's anger against Bush was understandable but my mom voted against Bush twice. Sometimes, I just kinda wish people would think for a minute before saying "all _______ are _________". It's hard but not impossible.


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