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Topic: Basics of Group Shura?
Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Subject: Basics of Group Shura?
Date Posted: 14 June 2009 at 1:38pm
Moving in Shura from the family level to the group level, what are the basics of group Shura?
 
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, commanded Muslims who go on travel to select one of them as the leader, even if they were only three
 
On the other hand, the prophet also advised Muslims not to seek leadership, as in this hadith:
 
Abu Sa'id 'Abdu'r-Rahman ibn Samura said:
 
"The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said to me,
 
'O 'Abdu'r-Rahman ibn Samura. Do not ask for leadership.
 
If you are given it without asking for it, you will be helped in it.
 
If you are given it through asking for it, it will be up to you.
 
If you make a vow and then see something other than it which is better than it, then do that which is better and expiate your oath.'" [Agreed upon]
 
So leadership is an important pillar, what are the other elements of effective group Shura?
 


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 14 June 2009 at 6:36pm
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

 
On the other hand, the prophet also advised Muslims not to seek leadership, as in this hadith:
 
Abu Sa'id 'Abdu'r-Rahman ibn Samura said:
 
"The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said to me,
 
'O 'Abdu'r-Rahman ibn Samura. Do not ask for leadership.
 
If you are given it without asking for it, you will be helped in it.
 
If you are given it through asking for it, it will be up to you.
 
If you make a vow and then see something other than it which is better than it, then do that which is better and expiate your oath.'" [Agreed upon]
 
So leadership is an important pillar, what are the other elements of effective group Shura?
 
 
Jazakh Allah Khair Brother Al Cardoby for the hadith....its a new one for me....
 
In my humble opinion apart from leadership, mutual trust would be another important pillar for group Shura so that it is easy to follow the leadership...pure and sincere intentions and the goal to benefit the whole group should be a priority.... also people that come together to consult should have enough knowledge about the issue at hand and should also know their limitations and are willing to admit to it as they might hinder the decision process with their ignorance to the matter at hand....so maybe integrity and personal accountability would be another pillar...
 
Wallahu A'lam
 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 5:39am
<< pure and sincere intentions and the goal to benefit the whole group should be a priority >>
 
You're quite right
 
The benefit of the group should take priority over individual interests when taking Shura-based decisions
 
For example, a group chooses one of them to be the Imam as he has all the required conditions more than all other members of the group, but the Imam prefers not to lead the prayer. In this case he should put the collective interest of the group before his personal preference and accept their nomination
 
How should shura-based decisions be made in a group?
 


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 15 June 2009 at 7:49pm

Jazakh Allah Khair for giving examples...it really helps in figuring out the nuances of the concept...

 
Shura decision I think should be reached with majority consensus in my opinion...if they have already established trust , elected their leader  and have discussed all differing viewpoints wouldn't a majority vote be more congruent with the process...as long as the decisions lie within the perimeters of law
 
I am just a layperson and my input is not scholarly...please correct me if I am wrong.... as I am speaking without really reading up on this subject, please excuse any ignorance or wild statement on my part... 
 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 2:08am
Yes, in most cases I agree that a majority vote is the right mechanism, though there are some exceptions:
 
1- When taking Shura for a personal matter which only involves one induvidual, this is known as (Istishara). It is not binding on that individual to follow the majority opinion of people he consults as the decision only involves him personally
 
2- When taking Shura for a matter which involves a personal property, like for example the owner of a company consulting his employess on a certain decision. Though this decision may have an impact on the whole company, including the employees themselves, it is not a binding majority vote as in the case of all voters being owners/partners in that company
 
We are all students of Islam by the way, and there is an interesting book titled (Fiqh Al-Shura wal Istishara) by the late Tawfiq Al-Shawy which is an important reference I would recommend (though for now I believe it's only available in Arabic)
 
 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 2:18am
As far as congregational prayers are concerned, the danger of an Imam leading prayers for a group of people who dislike him being the Imam is mentioned in a Hadith where the prophet, peace be upon him, said that one of the three (types of people) whose prayers will not be accepted is a man who leads the prayer for people who dislike his leadership (this Hadith is in Sunan Ibn Majah)
 
This is a clear evidence that binding Shura in selecting the leader within a group of Muslims is very important, both in prayers and outside prayers
 
Also, there is baraka in not asking for leadership, as in the hadith mentioned above:
 
'O 'Abdu'r-Rahman ibn Samura. Do not ask for leadership.
 
If you are given it without asking for it, you will be helped in it.
 
If you are given it through asking for it, it will be up to you
 
A leader who does not seek leadership will receive Allah's help, and the opposite is also true
 
This means that it is in the best interest of Muslims not to select leaders who seek leadership, but to select the best qualified person
 
 


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 16 June 2009 at 3:12pm
Jazakh Allah Khair for this informative and enlightening discussion
 
Can you recommend any books in english ...i have just started learning arabic...still a long way to go...
 
Thank you so much for elaborating these points...
 
 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 6:25am
I don't know of a book in English dedicated to the topic of Shura, but here are some reading which may be of interest:
 
Two IOL links on Shura & Democracy:
 
http://www.islam-online.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=50365 - Shura and Democracy: A Conceptual Analysis
 
http://www.islam-online.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=5638 - Shura and Democracy
 
The Seeds of Shura in Islam: The First Generation

The First Islamic Democracy in Madinah

http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1203758804840&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam%2FDIELayout - http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1203758804840&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam%2FDIELayout

 

The Nature of the Islamic Political System

Similarities and Differences (by Dr. Jamal Badawi)

Some of the fundamental principles in democracy are similar to Islam: first, the idea or notion of freedom of the people to choose the rulers they want.

Another idea that is similar is that of participation in the decision-making process in some form or the other.

The third similarity between democracy and Islam is the notion of the removal of some governments which fail to meet the expectations of the people

http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1154235111003&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam%2FDIELayout - http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1154235111003&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam%2FDIELayout - http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1154235111003&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam%2FDIELayout

 
Islam And Democracy

The Emerging Consensus

There seems to have emerged a general agreement among mainstream Islamists that democracy is the spirit of the Islamic governmental system, even though they reject the philosophical assumption of Western democracy that sovereignty rests with the people.
 
They maintain that the majority's voice can constitute the basis for legitimate exercise of political authority in an Islamic state only if it recognizes and remains within the perimeters of God's political and legal sovereignty.
 
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1153698300095&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam%2FDIELayout - http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1153698300095&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam%2FDIELayout - http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1153698300095&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam%2FDIELayout
 

Shura and Democracy in Islam

Take a Break with Yusuf Estes on Hoda TV

Can Islam, which started 14 centuries ago, cope with the problems of today's modern life?

Can Islam match democracy as a political solution?

Yusuf Estes answers these questions and explains the beauty of the concept of Shura in Islam

http://www.youtubeislam.com/video/4553/Take-A-Break-Episode-3-by-Sheikh-Yusuf-Estes - http://www.youtubeislam.com/video/4553/Take-A-Break-Episode-3-by-Sheikh-Yusuf-Estes

 



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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 17 June 2009 at 3:49pm

Jazakh Allah Khair

 
Thank you so much...I will try to read it in depth inshaAllah


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 5:23am
To continue with the topic of Group Shura, some extracts from an article by Dr. Tariq Ramadan:
 
Shura is the space which allows Islam the management of pluralism
 
The principles of managing pluralism
 
1- The choice of the people
 
The choice of the one placed ahead is delegated in Islam to those who place themselves behind. One can go through by means of elections, a representative system or any other original idea. The important thing is that the people choose their representative. This means, a fortiori, that one must be granted all the conditions that allow one the opportunity to choose with full knowledge of the facts.
 
Any pressure or play of influence on public opinion must be the subject of strict regulations, for this means that there is a deficit in the real participation of the people ....
 
2- Freedom of opinion. The first element cannot be without this second. One cannot have the right to choose one’s representative and, at the same time, be prohibited from formulating one’s own opinion. ....
 
3- Alternation. To govern is tantamount to being responsible before the people who choose us and before the institutional organs which play this role in the society in question ....
 
It cannot, therefore, be the fact of a man, a family or a clan, who takes hold of power in a definitive fashion because his name or action made his glory in a given moment of history. Competence in matters of governing, as indeed moral responsibility, are not hereditary.
 
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/notion_of_shr_shr_or_democracy/ - http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/notion_of_shr_shr_or_democracy/
 
 
 


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 12:43pm
Jazakh Allah Khair....
 
I am learning quite alot although i get stumped whenever politics comes into the picture because i generally dont have a liking for it...so western democracy and islamic shura then are similar concepts ...but its just the matter of sovereignty right?
 
Also shura is an all compassing concept...so it is not a political ideology but part of it right?
 
And Group Shura....on what qualifications should a leader be elected...majority vote or the one suited best for the job...i mean in our everyday life...our responsibilty is to stand for truth but what if we feel to be in the minority...is it incumbent to follow the majority to maintain peace...i am really confused sometimes on how to apply this beautiful concept in our day to day life...
 
Thank you for explaining it....


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 01 July 2009 at 8:42pm
Originally posted by a well wisher

so western democracy and islamic shura then are similar concepts ...but its just the matter of sovereignty right?
 
In principle, the objectives are similar, which is reaching the best collective decisions for society through mutual consultation and ideally consensus, but in Shura it should be in a framework that is compatible with the teachings of Islam and that does not contradict Islamic Law
 
Originally posted by a well wisher

 
Also shura is an all compassing concept...so it is not a political ideology but part of it right?
 
Right. Shura among Muslims should ideally be applied at all levels, including the political level. It should become a way of life for Muslims and an important part of our culture and education
 
Originally posted by a well wisher

And Group Shura....on what qualifications should a leader be elected...majority vote or the one suited best for the job...i mean in our everyday life...our responsibilty is to stand for truth but what if we feel to be in the minority...is it incumbent to follow the majority to maintain peace...
 
The first step is for people to identify the best potential leader(s) qualified for the job, then decide through consultation and majority vote whom to choose
 
If we feel we are in the minority, we still should have the freedom to express our views and concerns, but at the end of the day when the decision is taken by consensus or simple majority vote, we should abide to the collective decision as this is in the best interest of the group
 
 


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 02 July 2009 at 10:10am
Jazakh Allah Khair for clearing out these confusions...
 
One more question...I was discussing this with someone and i told them that its always better to appoint a leader withing a group...for example if it constitues even two people ...one should be the leader among the two to decide things ...isn't it the sunnah way to appoint a leader...like men are qawam of women...they have a degree over them...but among two men or two women is it necessary for one to lead or not in order to maintain the shura?ofcourse the decision reached would be by mutual consultation but is leadership a necessary component of this concept or not?
 
Thank you once again for explaining this...
 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 02 July 2009 at 10:20am
To my knowledge, the minimum number for appointing a leader is three, based on the hadith of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, who said that even if three Muslims are on a journey, they must choose one as leader
 
Qualities for Leadership:
1: knowledge and hikmah (wisdom, insight);
2: taqwa;
3: ‘adl (justice) and rahmah (compassion);
4: courage and bravery;
5: shura (mutual consultation);
6: decisiveness and being resolute;
7: eloquence;
8: spirit of self-sacrifice;
9: sabr (patience).

Emergence of a leader

A person is thrust into a position of leadership both by circumstances and by his ability to motivate and lead others towards the realization of a particular goal. When a group of people accept this vision, it creates a movement for change.

The leader, however, must first articulate the vision and demonstrate the ability to turn it into action by aligning performance with vision to create a climate of success for the realization of the stated goal.
Islam is radically different from other systems in that it discourages the practice of seeking leadership; if a person desires it for power and glory rather than serving the people by implementing the divine laws, he is not fit to occupy it.
 
In a well-known hadith, the noble Messenger of Allah has said that he who seeks leadership is not fit to assume it.
 
http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features00/zb-papersl1.htm - http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features00/zb-papersl1.htm
 


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 02 July 2009 at 10:29am

Jazakh Allah Khair...

 



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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 11 July 2009 at 12:06pm

The Wider Context of Shura in Islam

Some people believe that Shura is restrcited to collective political decisions, but this is not the case. In fact, Shura is wider process compared to democracy, as it covers mutual consultations in all fields of life, including family, community and social fields

It is a consultation process that also applies to the area of fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence)

Shura in Islam is first a human principle, then a social foundation and a foundation for a sound political system

(Extracts from a book titled "Shura and Istishara")



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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 14 July 2009 at 1:30pm

Shura as a Basis for Human Rights and the Rights of Sharing Society's Wealth

The study of Shura as a general theory starts from the basics of human rights and freedoms, and rights of the nation.

Human rights in the Muslim law is not restricted to the individual freedoms which include freedom of opinion, freedom of ownership and managing one's wealth, but goes beyond that to the right of participation in the collective decisions of society and to share its wealth

(Extracts from a book titled "The Fiqh of Shura and Istishara")



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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 1:18pm
Jazakh Allah Khair Brother Tarek for posting these excerpts...
 
The extracts that you are kindly quoting ...are these books available in english and if so then can you please give the author and publisher's name....
 
 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 1:21pm
I translated these quotes from the Arabic text
 
To my knowledge, an English translation of this book written by the late Dr. Tawfik Al-Shawy is not yet available
 


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 15 July 2009 at 1:27pm

Masha Allah...

May Allah swt reward you for your efforts
Ameen
 
Thank You


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 16 July 2009 at 12:01pm
Thank you sister

Elements of Collective Shura

1- The participation of members of the community, or their representatives, with their opinions in all decisions which relate to their public matters to protect the unity and best interest of the community

2- The freedom of opinion of all individuals within the community, and their right to freely discuss all opinions before selecting the decision to be implemented which all members are to abide by as a decision of the community (or the Ummah)

3- The purpose of the dialogue is to enable the group and its members to compare between different views in an objective way to choose the best option

4- The criteria in Islam for selecting the best option is to what extend it reflects the principles of Islam, its guidance and the foundation of its Shari'ah. Selecting the best alternative is to take place after free dialogue and debate

5- The decision becomes the binding decision of the community if it has full consensus, or at least a simple majority

(Extracts from a book titled "The Fiqh of Shura and Istishara" - p. 82-83)



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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 17 July 2009 at 1:41pm
The Majority is a Valid Preponderant Factor
 
Common sense, Islamic law and reality necessitate the presence of an impetus that will scale decision making. This impetus or preponderant factor which has the upper hand on controversial issues is the number of people.
 
If two people agreed on an opinion and a single person had a different opinion, then it is most probably that they are on the right side because they outnumber him
 
 
Submission to the Majority Opinion in Uhud
 
The prophet, peace be upon him, sided with the opinion of the majority in Uhud to go to battle against the enemy outside of Madinah, though his initial opinion and the opinion of his closest Companions was to stay in Madinah
 
The Mutual Consultation of the Six Companions
 
Umar (the second Caliph) chose six of the Companions to hold a mutual consultation and determine who was to become the next caliph.
 
The majority of the six companions chose the next caliph, and the minority had to agree to their choice and obey the Caliph-elect. In case they ended up with a three-to-three vote they were to resort to an outsider - Abdullah ibn Umar - for extra vote that would scale up or down their final judgment.
 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 2:11pm

An interesting quote I read today on the issue of democracy from an Islamic point of view:

The Islamization of democracy is the closest thing to implementing Shura (consultation)

This is a general statement by a Muslim Tunisian thinker, but the important question is what are the mechanics and practical steps needed to "Islamize" democracy?



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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 2:18pm

http://www.aljumuah.com/editorial/13-shura-the-lost-essense-of-islamic-organizations - SHURA: The Lost Essense of Islamic Organizations

The concept of Shura, literally consultation, in the Qur'an is widely misunderstood and underestimated, and worse yet, misapplied or ignored by many Muslim collectivities.

Allah the Exalted has commanded Shura not merely as a thing to do, but as a way of life for all forms of Muslim organizations. I use the word collectivity because it applies to all groupings:wherever there are more than one Muslim involved in any decision-making process, there is the domain of Shura, be it a family, a committee, an entire local community, or an entire country or a political arrangement.

Let us ponder the oft-quoted verse of the Qur'an about the concept of Shura: "And their affairs are (a matter of) Shura among them." [42:38]

http://www.aljumuah.com/editorial/13-shura-the-lost-essense-of-islamic-organizations - http://www.aljumuah.com/editorial/13-shura-the-lost-essense-of-islamic-organizations

(Source: The Jumuah - Friday - Magazine)



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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 11:26pm
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

An interesting quote I read today on the issue of democracy from an Islamic point of view:

The Islamization of democracy is the closest thing to implementing Shura (consultation)

This is a general statement by a Muslim Tunisian thinker, but the important question is what are the mechanics and practical steps needed to "Islamize" democracy?

 
Jazakh Allah Khair Brother Tarek for continuing this discussion ...
 
So how can one Islamize democracy?I read this article when I was trying to read up on Shura...Dr. Tawfik El-Shawi mention these points...

Three Basic Differences

El-Shawi, however, sees three basic differences between shura and democracy. First , he rejects "democracy" which can be utilized for non-democratic ends. "This is another kind of democracy which is despotic, which was practiced by socialist and Communist parties, called 'popular democracy. 'Here one party imposed its dictatorship in the name of the people," he notes. "We don't want to arrive at this."

Also, Dr. El-Shawi sees a dichotomy between free market capitalism devoid of a moral element and Islamic economic concepts, "which are based on a kind of social solidarity between the individuals in the community. " Islam teaches that it is society's duty to meet its members' basic needs. It is reported in Bukhari's collection of hadith, for instance, that the Prophet said, "He is not a true Muslim who eats his fill while his neighbor is hungry."

While the Social Security system in the United States is designed to help maintain the poor, Dr. El-Shawi believes that the Islamic system serves as a more solid basis for an equitable distribution of wealth.

Finally, because it is based on revelation from God rather than a secular foundation, Islam imposes clear limits on the ability of the members of a Muslim society to alter certain fundamental principles. The Qur'an and the sunna, unlike the US Constitution, are not subject to amendment or abrogation.

A second principle, which is found in the West but which has largely disappeared from the Islamic world, is that of unity. The concept of the unmwh is found throughout Islamic history. This ummah transcends political, linguistic, and ethnic boundaries and encompasses Muslims from a variety of backgrounds. Yet the contemporary Muslim world is a patchwork of nation-states characterized by dissension rather than unity.

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0891/9108065.htm - http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0891/9108065.htm
 
 
That Jumuah magazine article cannot be read without a subscription...if you have access please do post it in its entirety...Thank you so much Brother Tarek
 
 
 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 12 September 2009 at 1:12am
Thanks for the link
 
The Islamization of Democracy would involve fine-tuning the aspects of democracy which contradict with Islamic teachings.
 
Islam has a model for development which needs fine-tuning of the current model of free market capitalism, as for example the aim of the economic system would not be to maximize profits, but to maximize the well-being of society as a whole, within the framework of free market competition
 
As for laws and constitution, they would be based on The Qur'an and Sunnah. Any Law which contradicts The Qur'an and Sunnah would be unconstitutional
 
 


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 13 September 2009 at 12:15am
Jazakh Allah Khair
 
True...The free market capitalism in vogue is a major deterrent which is impeding the well being of society on the whole...Islam gives an alternative with a set of principles which can pave the way to acheiving stability in the current economic crisis faced all over the world with a equitable distribution of wealth....but I hope people are willing to listen to the voice of reason...
 
So democracy can be Islamicized....that is quite an interesting outlook...but like you said...what would be the practical steps towards doing so...it would be based on the shura principle for one thing....
 
That is why it is so important to properly understand this term in its true context...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 16 September 2009 at 1:56am
This paper by Dr. Fathi Osman gives more ideas on the issue of Shura and Democracy, which may be of interest:
 
Islam in a Modern State:

Democracy and the Concept of Shura

The Quran makes “shura” or “participation with others in making a decision that concerns them,” subsequent to and a consequence of the faith in God. It represents the positive response to His message and comes next to making prayers to Him, “and those, who respond to [the call of] their Lord, and keep up the prayers, and whose rule in a matter [of common concern] comes out of consultation among themselves...” (emphasis added).

The initiative of involving others in making a decision of common interest has to come from those who are responsible for leadership and making such decisions.

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/private/cmje/issues/more_issues/Islam_in_a_Modern_State__Democracy_and_Shura.pdf - http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/private/cmje/issues/more_issues/Islam_in_a_Modern_State__Democracy_and_Shura.pdf

 



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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 16 September 2009 at 5:00pm
Jazakh Allah Khair Brother Tarek....
 
What a great paper...I have  become a fan of Dr Fathi Osman...May Allah swt bless him and preserve him...It reminded me in parts of one of my most favourite book of all times...Muhammad Iqbal's The Reconstruction Of Religious Thought In Islam...
 
Thank you so much for posting this...


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 14 November 2009 at 7:57am
Shura and Democracy-Deriving Benefit
 
Sheikh Yusuf Estes
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnd7_bvISOs&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnd7_bvISOs&feature=related
 
(Part 1/ 6:09 min)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfr2axsmVw&NR=1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfr2axsmVw&NR=1
 
(Part 2/ 6:52 min)


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 22 June 2010 at 4:50pm
Found this 2003 article/talk today of Dr. Khaled Abul Fadl at MIT:

Islam and the Challenge of Democracy

The Case for Democracy

Several considerations suggest that democracy—and especially a constitutional democracy that protects basic individual rights—is that form. My central argument (others will emerge later) is that democracy—by assigning equal rights of speech, association, and suffrage to all—offers the greatest potential for promoting justice and protecting human dignity, without making God responsible for human injustice or the degradation of human beings by one another. ...

http://bostonreview.net/BR28.2/abou.html - http://bostonreview.net/BR28.2/abou.html

To see video of On Point’s live show on “Islam and the Challenge of Democracy,” featuring Khaled Abou El Fadl (MIT World):
 
http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/124/ - http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/124/




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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 01 July 2010 at 11:58pm
Originally posted by a well wisher

What a great paper...I have  become a fan of Dr Fathi Osman...May Allah swt bless him and preserve him...It reminded me in parts of one of my most favourite book of all times...Muhammad Iqbal's The Reconstruction Of Religious Thought In Islam...
 


Is there an on-line version of that book in English?



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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 02 July 2010 at 4:45pm

Yes there is Brother Tarek....I don't know if its the summarized version or the whole thing...

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MI_RRTI/Default.htm -


Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 03 July 2010 at 2:34am
Thanks sister

Looks like the full version






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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 16 September 2010 at 7:10pm
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

This paper by Dr. Fathi Osman gives more ideas on the issue of Shura and Democracy, which may be of interest:
 
 
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un ...
 
I just read this....A great scholar and a great man...Dr Fathi Osman passed away on Sept 11th
 
http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC1009-4293 - http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC1009-4293
 
May Allah bless his soul and reward him for his great contribution and grant him Firdaus Aameen...May Allah help his family  to deal with this loss and give them patience and peace and renite them in Jannah Aameen
 
 


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 07 November 2010 at 4:48pm

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf: Is 'Democracy' compatable with Sharia Law? Pt: 1/2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unx-FJu4szQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unx-FJu4szQ
 
 
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf: Is 'Democracy' compatable with Sharia Law? Pt: 2/2
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtBGZ2EoW_I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtBGZ2EoW_I


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 11 November 2010 at 11:45am

Notion of Shura, Shura and Democracy - Dr.Tariq Ramadan

Shura is the space which allows Islam the management of pluralism. The Arabic word signifies “consultation”, “concertation” or “deliberation”. It appears in several instances in the Qur’an. However, two verses are generally cited, since it is from these that the principle of general orientation is conveyed. In Sura 42 which has the same name (al-Shura) we read:

{but what is with God is better and more enduring for those who believe and put their trust in their Lord. And those who avoid the heinous sins and indecencies and when they are angry forgive, and those who answer their Lord, and perform the prayer, their affair being counsel between them, and they expend of that We have provided them?} [Qur’an, 42: 36-38]

Gradation, here, owes nothing to chance and we should notice, after qualifying the believer on the moral plane, an expression of the classification of attitudes. Response to God (meaning here the following of His ordinances), the performance of prayer (the second pillar of Islam after the testimony of faith), then, on the collective plane, the practice of deliberation and supportive social engagement. Thus, the formulation is clear, the very fact of submitting to God on the personal level does not mean that there exists ready-made solutions to settle collective affairs. We have said, above, a word about the concertation (the same verbal root) which must exist between the wife and the husband on the question of weaning the child. In the same way, the faithful are characterised here by the fact that they deliberate among themselves on the subject of their affairs. We know that the Prophet (peace be upon him) continually practised concertation with his Companions, and the traditions which report this are numerous. Whenever a situation, about which no revelation had intervened, presented itself the Prophet (peace be upon him) used to listen to those around him and consequently take decisions. Upon the first confrontation with the people of Mecca at Badr, Muhammad called his Companions: “O people! Share with me your views”. Ibn al-Mundhir asked him whether the placement chosen for confrontation was the object of a revelation or whether it was a personal decision. The Prophet responded that it was his own choice. Al-Mundhir suggested a different strategy which allowed taking over the water. Muhammad (peace be upon him) yielded to this argument and moved his entire army. In running affairs, the Prophet (peace be upon him) himself took into consideration and distinguished the absolute origin of the principles and the relativity of his own personal opinion. This, as it is in this instance, even in a situation which might determine the life or death of the whole community.

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/notion_of_shr_shr_or_democracy/ - http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/notion_of_shr_shr_or_democracy/


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 07 December 2012 at 9:13am
Groups, Factions and Political Movements
 
Groups and factions are not uniform in their membership. They are loci of convergent opinion, and, like the community at large, contain people who are just as well as unjust, virtuous as well as sinful. Truth be told, the fierce disagreements that take place between Muslim groups squanders their energies. It compromises their writings, their media production, their policies, and their interpersonal relations.

Other communities, by contrast, have learned to accommodate disagreement, and they succeed in channelling their differences into positive action. For instance, the extreme right-wing and left-wing parties in the Israeli Knesset have become part of the broader society. They participate in the government or in the official opposition, and they contribute to the development of national policy. The state has managed to accommodate the full spectrum of political opinion, and uses their isolation in the region to their advantage to foster unity.

Likewise, the European Union has achieved a united currency and a standardised tariff policy. They engage in full-scale military and political cooperation and work together for their mutual security. They develop strategic plans for their mutual progress and shared ambitions. At the same time, the autonomy of each country and the will of its people are fully respected, and they are given a voice in developing their shared programs and projects.

In America, we see a very sensible circulation of power between the Democratic and Republican parties. This is carried out with considerable goodwill between the American people, after the election results are announced. No one holds a grudge against anyone else on account of their vote. They have a strong and firmly established democratic institution, which in spite of its shortcomings, is capable of compensating for the inevitable mistakes and missteps of its policymakers, as well as triumphing over the crises and challenges that the country faces, including crises as serious as the September 11 atrocities and Hurricane Katrina.

These are nations which have succeeded in developing sound policies and systems for governing their differences, drawn from their experience, history, practical knowledge, and accumulated wisdom. The Islamic world deserves to be guided by all of these factors from within its own historical legacy as well as from the experience of other nations, in consideration of the moderate teachings of the Qur’an and the concern that our Prophet had for his community’s welfare.

We have a right to dream that the Muslim world, with all of its countries, ethnicities, and ideological currents, can unite upon its common interests, or at least draw closer together. It may seem to be a distant dream, but Allah is capable of all things. Are we prepared to accept that people will have various identities and affiliations, and instead fight against bigotry, racism, and selfish factional interests?

This is the challenge that we must be prepared to face. It is certainly a difficult one, but it is far from insurmountable. If we rely upon Allah, we will find He is enough for us. As we say in each and every one of our prayers: “You alone we worship, and Your help alone we seek.” [Sūrah al-Fatihah: 5]
 
http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-418-4534.htm - http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-418-4534.htm


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 18 January 2014 at 4:59am
Renaissance or Shura?

Dr. Ali Lela last month gave this talk titled "Renaissance or Shura?" at the MAS-ICNA Convention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkOsU-LheIE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkOsU-LheIE

(20 minutes)



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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 16 February 2014 at 4:34pm

Islam, Democracy & the Pursuit of Civil Society - Tariq Ramadan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkKJuOn58Vs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkKJuOn58Vs

(77 mins)


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 01 December 2014 at 11:31pm
Democracy or Shura?

Dr. Tariq Ramadan last December gave this talk titled "Democracy or Shura?" at the 2013 MAS-ICNA Convention

What are the similarities and differences between democracy and Shura and how can we deal with democracy in our contemporary transactions?

Allah says "...... His is the creation and the command..." ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiEhBKCil8Y# - 7:54 ).

Allah acknowledged the influence of people in making their decisions as he mentioned "....and whose affair is [determined by] consultation among themselves...." ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiEhBKCil8Y# - 42:38 ).

This means we should align ourselves with the commands of Allah and our majority vote can't over-weigh Allah's command, if in conflict.

How can we understand the role of people that Allah gave them during the process of "Shura" in comparison to what democracy is giving them according to the famous statement describing democracy as "the rule of the people, by the people."

How can we bring the name and meaning of "Shura" to our contemporary global framework while everyone aspires to adopt "Democracy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiEhBKCil8Y - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiEhBKCil8Y

(39 minutes)



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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 13 March 2015 at 3:04am
Best Candidate

The best candidate, at whatever political level, is the one who brings together the three most essential qualities when it comes to seeking a political mandate (which essentially consists of serving the community): integrity, ability, and willingness to serve. It is for every citizen to evaluate, consider, and finally decide, case by case, in favour of the best, or sometimes the "least bad."

We should not necessarily choose a candidate who is a member of "the community": one can be a Muslim and dishonest, politically incompetent, and more concerned with titles than with serving people. To choose such a person, for example, would be a betrayal of principles. Did not the Prophet (peace be upon him) say: "Anyone who appoints to a position an individual from a community when there is someone else more competent betrays God, his Prophet, and all Muslims"? [Hakim] The choice should be based on the balance between the three qualities referred to earlier and not on the religion or community membership of the person.

In the two situations, the act of electing and the hope of being elected, a civic ethic operates in the same way and makes the same demands: it calls upon responsible and independent individuals to know their principles, ethics, and environment, to decide on the ultimate aim of their commitment, and, in all circumstances, to be responsible for their actions.



"Western Muslims and The Future of Islam" - Dr.Tariq Ramadan

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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 08 August 2017 at 1:37am
Teamwork in Islam: Living in a Muslim Team

There are many examples of teamwork in Islam. One of the most important being the congregational prayers and the recitation of Al-Fatihah – where Muslims recite the chapter conscientiously as “we” or as one – following God’s Straight Path.

Similarly, Umrah and Hajj, brings together a myriad of Muslims from all over the globe to come together for these important rites, no one being raised above another and all prostrating with their foreheads on the ground, one next to another.

The Concept of Shura in Islam

Islam has always looked highly upon leadership as the “head” of teamwork, reminding Muslims to select the best of leaders according to creed and leadership qualities and also to be good followers of such a leader.

Being a good follower does not mean to follow blindly at every whim and fancy, but to be honored as part of the community and to play the important role in implementing rules and policies and, in general, being an honored and dignified member of the community. It is also important to endorse what is good and shun what is evil.

Criticizing leaders is also allowed, contrary to popular belief, as long as it’s also done in a dignified manner. In every leader there is only a human being, who in himself has his own flaws and fears, and is as human as anyone else, no matter how intelligent he is.

Thus, a good follower is also someone who can help commandeer the leadership when he or she sees something amidst. This can be done without insults and violence, unless the leadership turns into stern oppression of its citizens.

This is where the Shura steps in. The Shura (consultation) is one of the Islamic principles of leadership in the faith, which instills brotherhood and also the fear of God.

A leader, in a Shura situation, would be unable to reign freely and make decisions based on personal interest, as the Shura becomes his main consultative panel, comprising of learned men and representatives of all walks of life of the community and to help make daily decisions as a team. This way, disputes in society can be quickly elevated to the Shura in order to ensure that all persons are well taken care of and decisions again, are not made on solely one person...

http://aboutislam.net/reading-islam/living-islam/teamwork-islam-living-muslim-team/ - http://aboutislam.net/reading-islam/living-islam/teamwork-islam-living-muslim-team/





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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 11 September 2017 at 2:55am
How Should We Practice Shura?

Shura Training in the Family

It is clear that the majority of Muslims today suffer from a lack in implementing shura, not only at the higher political levels, but also at many other levels in society.

Just as the construction of a high tower starts from its foundation, the culture of shura in society should start with Muslim children from their early years, at the family level and at school.

The values and the discipline that children acquire during the first 14 years of their lives leave a strong impact on their personalities and their whole way of thinking till old age.

So, educating our children from an early age at home and at school on the basic shura concepts is crucial for their long-term success...

http://aboutislam.net/reading-islam/living-islam/how-should-we-practice-shura/ - http://aboutislam.net/reading-islam/living-islam/how-should-we-practice-shura/



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