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Topic: Drinking linked to memory decline
Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Subject: Drinking linked to memory decline
Date Posted: 16 January 2014 at 12:56am

Heavy drinking linked to early onset of memory decline in men

UCL study on recall and thinking finds cognition worsening in middle-age drinkers up to six years earlier than normal

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/15/heavy-drinking-memory-deline-earlier-men-ucl - http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/15/heavy-drinking-memory-deline-earlier-men-ucl




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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 16 January 2014 at 12:05pm
An excess of just about anything will have adverse effects on the body Al.


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 17 January 2014 at 12:52am
Especially alcohol Damo

It's also addictive, which takes away part of human freedom

Right?



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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 18 January 2014 at 7:54am
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

Especially alcohol Damo

It's also addictive, which takes away part of human freedom

Right?



 Just a bit of a stretch Al when you say it takes away freedom.
 Sugar for example is being demonized as the new nicotine, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2541589/The-sugar-detox-Health-experts-calling-sugar-new-nicotine-This-major-series-two-leading-doctors-DEFINITIVE-guide-kicking-it.html?ico=home^headlines - see here highly addictive and can lead most commonly to diabetes. Yet in moderate amounts it has no long lasting health problems.

 Wine similarly has health benefits to the body, taken in moderation.

Some people develop a 'comfort food' dependency due to sugar levels in what they eat. The endorphin rush as such food is consumed triggers an addiction setting off a vicious circle leading to critical levels of obesity. What's the solution,  a total ban on sugar cane ? Or do we need a nanny style state to monitor every aspect of our lives so much that we need a requisition order clearance to add sugar to our tea or coffee.... ?

 Alcohol Al is no different. Its all about self discipline..

 
 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 18 January 2014 at 9:29am
No, I don't see it as a stretch, Damo

Sugar can be reduced, it is not an addiction

Alcoholics on the other hand lose complete control of their lives when they get to an advanced stage of addiction

Families are ruined, so are careers, as they become so dependent on alcohol.

If this is not a loss of freedom, what is?



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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 18 January 2014 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

No, I don't see it as a stretch, Damo

Sugar can be reduced, it is not an addiction

Alcoholics on the other hand lose complete control of their lives when they get to an advanced stage of addiction

Families are ruined, so are careers, as they become so dependent on alcohol.

If this is not a loss of freedom, what is?



Again, its a lack of self discipline not a loss of freedom, It is freedom or free-will rather that has allowed an individual to become an alcoholic. Some people turn to some coping mechanism when under grief,  stress or in depression and with the ongoing symptoms being blurred out with alcohol one can see the obvious outcome will be alcoholism. Al millions of people drink a tiny tiny minority of that number become alcoholics. 

 As for sugar, perhaps you never read the link which says otherwise... Yes sugar can be reduced... But were talking about high calorie high sugar content foods not raw sugar , its the effect of the sugar in such foods Al... Do you believe people of average height who live on a high suger diet  choose to be 350/400 lbs to have to pay double fair in some situations with certain airlines etc ?  Are you suggesting such an individual doesn't have the same urge to maintain his regular intake of sugary gloop as someone who suffers from alcoholism ?

 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 12:10am
Sugar does not ruin families and careers due to addiction, Damo

Alcohol does unfortunately

God knows what is good for us, and what is harmful, and He knows that alcohol has the potential to make people act in an irresponsible way

Our intellect is our most precious gift and God guides us (in Islam) not to harm our intellect and thereby harm ourselves through alcohol.

He wants us to be free ...



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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 3:53am
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

Sugar does not ruin families and careers due to addiction, Damo

Alcohol does unfortunately

God knows what is good for us, and what is harmful, and He knows that alcohol has the potential to make people act in an irresponsible way

Our intellect is our most precious gift and God guides us (in Islam) not to harm our intellect and thereby harm ourselves through alcohol.

He wants us to be free ...



  Alcohol is consumed and enjoyed by probably a couple of billion people in the world. It is a substance... it can be used sensibly or irresponsibly. It comes down to individual responsibility.

 Alcohol ruins lives yes.. used irresponsibly it can lead to many perils. No-one disputes that no-one ever has.

But consumed sensibly as is the case with the vast majority of those who do drink there are no negatives. Lest you would be highlighting them.

So your thread title should be edited to what it should have been. Which is the sub-heading of your initial post which included the the term 'heavy' before the word 'drinking'... as this relates to the evidence in the link youve provided. You overstep when you  claim in a blanket statement in your title that merely drinking alcohol is linked to memory decline which so far at least you've not shown evidence for.

 The evidence you've submitted is conclusive to abuse of alcohol only. Hardly new science in claiming alcohol abuse is bad for you . The science you've pointed is only elaborating on the perils of its abuse... which only serves as a reminder to those who do drink sensibly to continue to do so.


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 6:58am
Believe you me Damo, it's best to avoid it all together

God knows best

Take care


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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 9:49am
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

Believe you me Damo, it's best to avoid it all together

God knows best

Take care


If your speaking from a religious perspective we just simply have to dis-agree on that as our religions teach differently on the issue. But if your talking from a scientific perspective, provide the proof. To believe you i need to see it.. For i can present proof that wine drunk in moderation can have positive health benefits..

 Take care Al


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 12:11pm
From The Guardian article:

The long-term effect of http://www.theguardian.com/society/alcohol - alcohol on the brain has not been extensively researched. Most studies have looked at elderly people, who have usually stopped or considerably reduced their drinking...

It's crucial to continue investing in research if we are to understand how to keep our brains healthy as we age and prevent the diseases that cause dementia.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/15/heavy-drinking-memory-deline-earlier-men-ucl

God knows what is best for us.

Our knowledge is limited, while His Knowledge is complete



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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 19 January 2014 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

From The Guardian article:

The long-term effect of http://www.theguardian.com/society/alcohol - alcohol on the brain has not been extensively researched. Most studies have looked at elderly people, who have usually stopped or considerably reduced their drinking...

It's crucial to continue investing in research if we are to understand how to keep our brains healthy as we age and prevent the diseases that cause dementia.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/15/heavy-drinking-memory-deline-earlier-men-ucl

God knows what is best for us.

Our knowledge is limited, while His Knowledge is complete



Again.. the evidence you provide is related to excessive drinking/ substance abuse. Why won't you admit that  ? What of the above is in any-way related to moderate consumption ? Our knowledge is limited yes but we should be knowledgeable enough to know of the perils and pleasures of alcohol after having produced it for thousands of years Al.. Its not that unfathomable.

 As for God knowing best. I refference Psalm 104:14 and Eccles 9:7.

 Wine is a gift.


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 1:23am
Hello Damo

God tells us in the Qur'an the following:

"They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people.

But their sin is greater than their benefit..."
" ( http://quran.com/2/219 - 2:219 )

Divine Laws are meant to protect people from harm.

God does not give us these laws for the "wise" people only who can control how much alcohol they consume in order not to harm their health, but He gives us these laws for the average person

If you go out at night over the weekend and see how average people behave when drinking, you can realize the wisdom of this Divine Law

Binge-drinking is become a serious problem as you know in the UK, and in Europe in general, and the damage it causes to health, wealth and human life is tremendous.

As for Christian quotes in the Bible, this is the answer of brother Idris Tawfiq, a former British Catholic priest, which you may find interesting:

A Wine-Drinking Jesus?

http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-about-islam/society-and-family/interfaith-issues/167309-a-wine-drinking-jesus.html - http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-about-islam/society-and-family/interfaith-issues/167309-a-wine-drinking-jesus.html




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Posted By: Nura
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 5:06am
Just to add my two cents, the health benefits you get from red wine can be obtained by eating grapes, especially red ones.
The main benefit of red wine comes from resveratrol, an antioxidant that protects the heart and help cells "stay young". But resveratrol is present in red grapes, especially in the skin, as well as flavonoids and sapponins.

Besides, red wine is said to reinforce the enamel of teeth to prevent tooth decay. Anyway, all these benefits are found even in grape juice and non alcoholic red wine.

I know people who have drunk wine in moderation all their lives long without any negative consequences. However, if you avoid it at all you are on the "safe side", not only concerning alcoholism and liver problems, but also you don't have to worry about drinking and driving :)

A question I would like to ask to Muslims is if I can use wine for facial masks and other beauty treatments, without drinking it of course. I am a big fan of natural beauty products and I make most of my creams and masks by myself at home. I have read a lot about "vinotherapy", i.e. using wine for facial masks and beauty treatments and I would like to try, but I don't know if it's permissible.


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 7:11am
Originally posted by Nura


A question I would like to ask to Muslims is if I can use wine for facial masks and other beauty treatments, without drinking it of course. I am a big fan of natural beauty products and I make most of my creams and masks by myself at home. I have read a lot about "vinotherapy", i.e. using wine for facial masks and beauty treatments and I would like to try, but I don't know if it's permissible.


Salam sister

That question needs a fatwa from a specialized scholar

You can http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the-scholar.html - Ask the Scholar right here:

http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the-scholar.html





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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 3:12pm
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

Hello Damo

God tells us in the Qur'an the following:

"They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people.

But their sin is greater than their benefit..."
" ( http://quran.com/2/219 - 2:219 )

Divine Laws are meant to protect people from harm.

God does not give us these laws for the "wise" people only who can control how much alcohol they consume in order not to harm their health, but He gives us these laws for the average person

If you go out at night over the weekend and see how average people behave when drinking, you can realize the wisdom of this Divine Law

Binge-drinking is become a serious problem as you know in the UK, and in Europe in general, and the damage it causes to health, wealth and human life is tremendous.


  Gambling and drunkenness (alcohol abuse) is a sin in Christianity too Al. Just making that clear  .

Al.. lets be honest. In as many posts now you have not provided one piece of data which proves there is a risk of health problems with moderate alcohol consumption. That was what this thread was about.
  The social ills which you speak of is not the fault of a substance.. but the  the moral make-up of those who both abuse it and of those who sell it in places considered immoral.
 That's quite different to those who enjoy wine when dining, dining with friends, having company at home, celebrations etc.

 Alcohol like a gun is only immoral depending on the morality of who's handling it.




Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

As for Christian quotes in the Bible, this is the answer of brother Idris Tawfiq, a former British Catholic priest, which you may find interesting:

A Wine-Drinking Jesus?

http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-about-islam/society-and-family/interfaith-issues/167309-a-wine-drinking-jesus.html - http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-about-islam/society-and-family/interfaith-issues/167309-a-wine-drinking-jesus.html




 Al the link really only quotes from Islamic literature on why alcohol is prohibited for Muslims., followed by the assertion that at some point in unknown history as the islamic claim goes that Christian scripture was altered and hence why Christians may consume alcohol today..
  I mean c'mon Al, this is fine reading if your a fully fledged Muslim trying to understand what Islam teaches,  but it doesn't bolster anything to the claim of the initial post or in any-way take away from the credibility of the Bible. Thats a wholly other argument altogether ..Biblical/Quran legitimacy.


Just to add my two cents, the health benefits you get from red wine can be obtained by eating grapes, especially red ones.
The main benefit of red wine comes from resveratrol, an antioxidant that protects the heart and help cells "stay young". But resveratrol is present in red grapes, especially in the skin, as well as flavonoids and sapponins.

Besides, red wine is said to reinforce the enamel of teeth to prevent tooth decay. Anyway, all these benefits are found even in grape juice and non alcoholic red wine.

I know people who have drunk wine in moderation all their lives long without any negative consequences. However, if you avoid it at all you are on the "safe side", not only concerning alcoholism and liver problems, but also you don't have to worry about drinking and driving :).

-Nura


 So were agreed that there are no established negative affects of moderate drinking ?

 I think the hang-up with alcohol is how inebriation is perceived.
There is a difference between being in a state of inebriation and drunkenness.


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Posted By: Magister
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by Nura

Just to add my two cents, the health benefits you get from red wine can be obtained by eating grapes, especially red ones.
The main benefit of red wine comes from resveratrol, an antioxidant that protects the heart and help cells "stay young". But resveratrol is present in red grapes, especially in the skin, as well as flavonoids and sapponins.

Besides, red wine is said to reinforce the enamel of teeth to prevent tooth decay. Anyway, all these benefits are found even in grape juice and non alcoholic red wine.


Just recently, less than a week ago, they had an article about new research pointing to even casual drinking of alcohol to shortening your lifespan. I didn't read the article, only the headlines, so I'm not sure if the research was conclusive, or if drinking alcohol does shorten your lifespan.

Originally posted by Nura


However, if you avoid it at all you are on the "safe side", not only concerning alcoholism and liver problems, but also you don't have to worry about drinking and driving :)


...and...perhaps most importantly of all: if we abstain from drinking entirely, we then need not worry about forming painfully embarrassing memories associated with dance floors and certain songs.

It reminds me of that meme I saw not that long ago:



Originally posted by Nura

A question I would like to ask to Muslims is if I can use wine for facial masks and other beauty treatments, without drinking it of course. I am a big fan of natural beauty products and I make most of my creams and masks by myself at home. I have read a lot about "vinotherapy", i.e. using wine for facial masks and beauty treatments and I would like to try, but I don't know if it's permissible.


I know they make "halal" makeup that doesn't have pork or alcohol in it. But when I see these things, I have to joke and ask: "Are they expecting their customers to eat the makeup?" I'm of the view that the Quran forbids consuming alcohol, not much else. So in my eyes, "halal" cosmetics is a gimmick. Not to mention, people whom I've met that purchase only halal makeup and hold views that alcohol is forbidden even beyond just drinking ironically keep rubbing alcohol and hand sanitizers around. Not to mention cough syrup and other medicines to relieve common symptoms to colds, flus, etc. Oh, and many cakes, chocolates, etc. in the West are made with alcohol. Vanilla extract. Even Coke is reported to have alcohol in it as a secret ingredient, but I believe Saudi doctors and scholars worked in conjunction to conclude that the alcohol in the soda is no longer alcohol or something along those lines.

That's just my view, and I can get the other side's argument...I'm just not convinced, but here's a link to a Q&A with a similar question. It gives both sides and I do get the logic of it being impure like a dog or a pig, but...Allahu alim, here's the link:


http://www.islamicity.com/qa/action.lasso.asp?-db=services&-lay=Ask&-op=eq&number=5699&-format=detailpop.shtml&-find - http://www.islamicity.com/qa/action.lasso.asp?-db=services&-lay=Ask&-op=eq&number=5699&-format=detailpop.shtml&-find


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Posted By: Magister
Date Posted: 20 January 2014 at 5:45pm
Speaking of the harms of alcohol, this woman thinks it's Carnival's fault that she got so drunk and fell overboard.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/01/18/drunk-woman-sues-carnival-after-falling-overboard


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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 21 January 2014 at 2:08pm

Socializing In Pubs Boosts Men’s Mental Health; Drinking With Friends Offers Safe Place To Express Emotions

http://www.medicaldaily.com/socializing-pubs-boosts-mens-mental-health-drinking-friends-offers-safe-place-express-emotions.

 Not that i condone fraternizing in all drinking establishments. But the study proves that alcohol certainly can be uplifting to mental health if taken in moderation in a social environment.

It was said that  when Churchill met Stalin the frostiness between the two leaders was soothed through both their fondness for alcohol and made open dialogue and frankness of debate more personal and relaxed. Their personal relationship was vital in defeating Nazi Germany.

 Again the state of inebriation is not a sinful state, going beyond being inebriated to going of the rails and knowingly making yourself drunk beyond your control is when you violate what it was intended for.



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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 21 January 2014 at 11:58pm
It's like playing with fire, Damo

One may or may not get drunk, and if they do they get aggressive, get into fights and hooliganism and crazy driving which can harm or kill people on the street.

God's advice to us is Don't play with fire, and preserve your health and intellect.

Don't throw away God's gifts...




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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 5:38am
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

It's like playing with fire, Damo

One may or may not get drunk, and if they do they get aggressive, get into fights and hooliganism and crazy driving which can harm or kill people on the street.

God's advice to us is Don't play with fire, and preserve your health and intellect.

Don't throw away God's gifts...




 Drunkenness although undesirable.. doesn't automatically lead to aggression in everybody who over does it. People who fall into that category have issues. Alcohol only brings them to the surface. If someone drinks alcohol in the knowledge that their manner changes for the worst under the influence then they in sobriety should avoid it completely . Its not rocket science its simple self discipline. The influence of alcohol you as a Muslim are only taught and teach is a negative one only, whilst ignoring all positive aspects consumed in the proper environment such as serving to heighten feelings of empathy, trust,  openness to frank discussion, calming of nerves. and not to mention can bring enemies together.   Alcohol is a great ice breaker. How many issues could have been resolved in history over a tipple of wine between foes rather than the ensuing spilled blood God only knows.


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Posted By: botak
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 6:03am
You can't ignore the fact that alcohol has brought great pleasure to billions of people the world over for thousands of years. The vast majority of drinkers would say it's brought them more benefits than harms over the course of their life.

As Winston Churchill said 'I have taken more out of alcohol, than alcohol has taken out of me.' (and he certainly wasn't a moderate drinker)

Of course alcohol can cause harm, but there is nothing unethical about damaging your own body, and moderate drinking doesn't damage it a great deal, if at all, anyway. It might even be good for some people if it helps them relax and have fun anyway, as these have positive benefits on the body.

Drunk people also do harm to others of course, but when a religious fanatic harms others we say 'blame the individual, not the religion'. Same is true with alcohol.


Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 6:21am
Originally posted by botak



Drunk people also do harm to others of course, but when a religious fanatic harms others we say 'blame the individual, not the religion'. Same is true with alcohol.



  Great perspective !


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 6:27am
Originally posted by Damo808

  Alcohol is a great ice breaker. How many issues could have been resolved in history over a tipple of wine between foes rather than the ensuing spilled blood God only knows.


Alcohol does have some benefits, and God says so in the Qur'an, Damo

But He also says that its sin is greater than its benefit

They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people.

But their sin is greater than their benefit."
( http://quran.com/2/219 - 2:219 )


It is prohibited because the disadvantages outweigh the advantages

So don't play with fire!



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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 6:45am

Can a Functioning Alcoholic Be Affected by One Drink?

Some functioning alcoholics do indeed show signs of intoxication with as little as a single drink. There are at least two different reasons why this might happen.

A particular individual could have both an under-functioning liver and a growing allergic reaction to alcohol.....

The prolonged abuse of alcohol takes its toll on the body. Besides destroying brain cells, it affects liver function and can have major effects on metabolism. Because alcohol is a diuretic, and alcoholics typically don’t drink much water, they tend to be in a chronic state of dehydration. Dehydration can of course be responsible for a host of other problems, including brain fog.

http://www.neillneill.com/can-a-functioning-alcoholic-be-affected-by-one-drink - http://www.neillneill.com/can-a-functioning-alcoholic-be-affected-by-one-drink


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 6:48am

The Functioning Alcoholic and Memory Loss

I have often characterized self-medication with alcohol as voluntary dissociation. The functioning alcoholic drinks to split off from the reality of his life, his pain or his feelings of inadequacy. When he enters that altered state he feels better. The problem is that he has become addicted to alcohol over time. Now he simply needs alcohol to feel at all OK.

When people are in dissociated states, with or without alcohol, they are simply not there.

Whether the deteriorating memory in the functional alcoholic is the result of brain damage or dissociation or, more probably, both, it should be taken as a symptom of advancing alcoholism.
 
http://www.neillneill.com/the-functioning-alcoholic-and-memory-loss - http://www.neillneill.com/the-functioning-alcoholic-and-memory-loss


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 6:55am

Alcohol Related Brain Injury: ‘The Invisible Condition’

There are signs of an increasing trend in the number of people with Alcohol Related Brain Injury (ARBI), according to new research.
 
http://alcoholireland.ie/newsletter/alcohol-related-brain-injury-%E2%80%98the-invisible-condition%E2%80%99/ - http://alcoholireland.ie/newsletter/alcohol-related-brain-injury-%E2%80%98the-invisible-condition%E2%80%99/
 

The UK government’s shameful dumping of its alcohol strategy – from a liver specialist who lives with the fallout

 
Young binge drinkers are merely the tip of the iceberg. The real damage is done behind the scenes as a new generation of middle aged daily drinkers succumb to the health consequences of alcohol, resulting in the loss of around 97,000 years of working life, more perhaps even than smoking for which the equivalent figure seems to be around 84,000 years. Liver disease used to be rare in the UK and even as late as the 1980’s the UK had practically the lowest level of alcohol consumption in Europe, together with lowest liver death rates. For decades since the 1920’s cirrhosis was a disease of the rich because one needed to be relatively wealthy to consume enough strong alcohol to develop cirrhosis. Since the 1970s the picture has transformed completely, liver death rates in working age have increased 500% and liver disease is now a disease of deprivation alongside smoking and obesity. The collective personality of UK citizens hasn’t changed in this time. These are not diseases of ‘inadequate behaviours’, they are diseases of unhealthy environments and of extremely healthy profitability for the corporate shareholders. As such they are the health challenge of the 21st century and the corporations and investors who profit can be viewed as vectors, just as mosquitoes are the vectors of malaria.
 
http://alcoholireland.ie/world_news/the-uk-governments-shameful-dumping-of-its-alcohol-strategy-from-a-liver-specialist-who-lives-with-the-fallout/ - http://alcoholireland.ie/world_news/the-uk-governments-shameful-dumping-of-its-alcohol-strategy-from-a-liver-specialist-who-lives-with-the-fallout/


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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 7:03am

Lobbyists: what alcohol and gambling learned from tobacco

The addiction industries – gambling, alcohol and now sugar – had it tough last week. All are under pressure to defend their industries against increasing evidence of their harm and calls for intervention. But the chances of this government acting in the wider public interest are almost nil. Lobbying by these industries has put paid to that.

The lobbying strategies they employ to win politicians to their cause are strikingly similar. And they have all learnt their tactics from one industry: tobacco.

The lobbying starts with denial. When the sugar industry was last week forced onto the back foot by public health scientists calling for action to cut sugar intake to protect public health, the predictable response was to deny the now substantial evidence showing sugar’s harm: ‘Sugars… are not the cause of obesity,’ said industry lobby group, the Food and Drink Federation. This has long been the position of the industry.

The fifty year campaign to deny the link between tobacco and disease is well documented. “Doubt is our product”, as one tobacco executive wrote in 1969. Put plainly, no one was to believe the evidence before them. People must remain in doubt. The doctors and academics calling for action this week were quite right to dub sugar “the new tobacco”.

Alongside industry denial campaigns, the addiction lobbyists have also sought to embed themselves in government and dominate any policy-response to harm caused by their product. Of course, if you are a social pariah that is going to be harder than if you are seen as a “responsible” company actively working to tackle problems. Lobbyists have worked hard to reposition their industries as the solution to a manageable problem.

Tobacco got this wrong. In the eighties, executives worried in private that their denial message was becoming untenable. An internal BAT from the time shows tobacco scientists arguing that they should publicly acknowledge that there was a “probability that smoking is harmful to a small percentage of heavy smokers”. It was a proposed damage limitation exercise. “By giving a little we may gain a lot. By giving nothing we stand to lose everything”, one said. In the event it took another 20 years for them to publicly concede that smoking was bad for you.

The alcohol industry learnt from the tobacco industry’s mistake. For decades, alcohol’s strategy to fend off government regulation has been to redefine the problem with alcohol as one affecting a small minority of heavy drinkers, contrary to the evidence.

http://alcoholireland.ie/world_news/lobbyists-what-alcohol-and-gambling-learned-from-tobacco/ - http://alcoholireland.ie/world_news/lobbyists-what-alcohol-and-gambling-learned-from-tobacco/


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Posted By: Nura
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 8:26am
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby



Salam sisterThat question needs a fatwa from a specialized scholarYou can http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the-scholar.html - Ask the Scholar right here:http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the-scholar.html


Thanks!

I agree with Magister about halal perfumes and make up. Well, the pig is a complicated issue, because some scholars say that pig is "dirty" per se, so you are not allowed to pray wearing a "piece of pig". But it depends how much the chemical structure has been changed, for example pig leather is modified in its structure when used for shoes and jackets, same I think about medicines done with some components of pig gelatin.
But for alcohol...it's clear that we should avoid drinking it, but alcohol in itself is a good a clean substance used for disinfection and many other things, among those the once you listed.
Of course I wouldn't go to the supermarket and buy a bottle of wine to make my make up, especially because I am recognizable as a Muslim. I just thought of taking some from my mum, I need two table spoons to make a jar of cream, since it will be mixed with other ingredients.

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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 11:28am
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

Originally posted by Damo808

  Alcohol is a great ice breaker. How many issues could have been resolved in history over a tipple of wine between foes rather than the ensuing spilled blood God only knows.


Alcohol does have some benefits, and God says so in the Qur'an, Damo

But He also says that its sin is greater than its benefit

They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people.

But their sin is greater than their benefit."
( http://quran.com/2/219 - 2:219 )


It is prohibited because the disadvantages outweigh the advantages

So don't play with fire!




 We've been down the religious route Al, as well as the scientific one. Gambling is a different thing altogether. What has been established here however is that the vast majority who do drink or "play with fire" as you'd have it never get burned and never burn anyone else but enjoy great times with no i'll health effects. A very small minority fall into the category who abuse it as a substance to their own peril and to the misery of those closest to them and around them and blights lives. Because a tiny few cannot exercise control over their lives does not mean everyone has to be denied its pleasures as is and was intended.


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 1:23pm
It's much more than "a tiny few", Damo

Have you been near a pub lately on a weekend or seen football hooligans how they behave with too many beers?



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Posted By: Damo808
Date Posted: 22 January 2014 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by Al-Cordoby

It's much more than "a tiny few", Damo

Have you been near a pub lately on a weekend or seen football hooligans how they behave with too many beers?




Again this is more to do with an attitude of a demographic of people and the industry which caters to it within a secular and free society.. NOT the alcohol itself.


 If i'm at home and joined with friends whom I've invited over and during the course of the evening we empty several bottles of wine between us, and they leave at the end of the evening in high spirits and in jovial mood and none of us having caused offense to anyone.. Can i be classed the same as the hooligan who drinks but who has an attitude towards life in general before his consumption of alcohol even begins ?

 


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Posted By: Al-Cordoby
Date Posted: 23 January 2014 at 1:58am
Originally posted by Damo808


 If i'm at home and joined with friends whom I've invited over and during the course of the evening we empty several bottles of wine between us, and they leave at the end of the evening in high spirits and in jovial mood and none of us having caused offense to anyone.. Can i be classed the same as the hooligan who drinks but who has an attitude towards life in general before his consumption of alcohol even begins ?
 


No of course not, because that is private business not public.

However, at an individual level it would best to share with your friends a nice non-alcoholic drink



In any case, you're not Muslim so it does not apply in your case...

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Posted By: a well wisher
Date Posted: 27 January 2014 at 3:15am
Originally posted by Nura



A question I would like to ask to Muslims is if I can use wine for facial masks and other beauty treatments, without drinking it of course. I am a big fan of natural beauty products and I make most of my creams and masks by myself at home. I have read a lot about "vinotherapy", i.e. using wine for facial masks and beauty treatments and I would like to try, but I don't know if it's permissible.
 
Assalaamualekum sister Nura
 
I love making my own creams and masks too...infact even cleaners and detergents when I have time.Recently bought some Bergamot essential oil which i can't wait to use in a facial cream. But have to be careful cause it  causes photosensitivity.....great for stress though...Any tips?Do you like aromatherapy?
 
By the way I came across this....
 
Sheikh Salman al-Oadah's fatwa
 
It is lawful to buy, sell, and use perfumes and cosmetics that contain alcohol, because the amount of alcohol is not significant and it is mixed with other materials.
It is not used as a drink, otherwise would be unlawful, even for selling and buying. If we say that such products are impure, then we have to say the same about many items such as gasoline and many other petroleum products that contain alcohol.

Even for intoxicating drinks, the preferable saying is that they are pure in and of themselves. They are unlawful because they intoxicate, not because they are impure.

When the Qur’ân calls wine as abomination, it is emphasizing that it is bad and forbidden. That is why it is mentioned as an abomination along with gambling, sacrificing to idols, and divination by arrows, none of which are physical impurities according to the agreement of the scholars. Therefore, there is no evidence in this verse that alcohol is impure.

If intoxicants were impure, they would not have been poured into the streets of Madinah while there is severe warning against who those who urinate in the roadways. Also, when intoxicants were prohibited, people were not requested to wash their utensils or clothes from it, not even those containers that held liquor.
 

In one famous hadîth, a person was not asked even to clean the containers that contained alcohol. [Sahîh Muslim (1579) and Sunan al-Nasâ’î (4664)] All this is supported by the general principle in Islamic Law that things are assumed to be pure unless otherwise cited with evidence.

And Allah knows best.

Source: Islam Today

http://www.islamonline.com/news/articles/141/Perfumes-&-cosmetics-containing-alcohol.html - http://www.islamonline.com/news/articles/141/Perfumes-&-cosmetics-containing-alcohol.html
 
 
 


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